You need to form your own opinions and the best way to do that is to sail on other peoples boats for a while. Or at least charter.
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15-02-12, 08:49 #41
15-02-12, 09:46 #42John Rodriguez Yachts. Cruising & Bluewater Yachts www.jryachts.com
15-02-12, 10:15 #43
It is only the Mk1 Moody Eclipse 33 that has an inside wheel. In the Mk2 they replaced the wheel station with an autopilot (with dual controls) to make more room.
I think all 38 Eclipses have inside steering.
Bear in mind that you might find sailing enjoyable and not just "being blown along" so get something that sails reasonably too.
15-02-12, 10:22 #44Registered User
Location : Plymouth
- Join Date
- Oct 2002
Most small sailing boats that you might see chugging along under power will consume about 1/3 gall per hour.
You might expect to get around 1/2 gall per hour at modest throttle settings with your motor sailor, that should take you under 6 to perhaps 7 miles. Of course the more throttle, the more fuel.
This is just a guess, but I doubt if it is far out - unless you choose one of the bigger options with wacking big engine to boot.
Last edited by doug748; 15-02-12 at 10:25. Reason: Aferthought
15-02-12, 14:04 #45Registered User
Location : Warwickshire home/ Pembrokeshire boat
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- Jul 2009
Many motor sailers use engine and sails simultaneously, usually referred to as motorsailing, when the wind is inadequate for the intended passage. That can give even better fuel economy, especially if a self-pitching prop is fitted.
27-02-12, 17:45 #46
I take on board the sailing comments and would definitely like something that sails reasonably well.
27-02-12, 18:12 #47
Thanks to everyone who's replied. We've had a good look at the suggestions that people have made. Also taken onboard the other comments. Given the comments about the Colvic, i've crossed that off the list. Several other suggestions looked interesting and ticked several boxes, but we found ourselves comparing everything with the Jeanneau Espace 1100. The Espace 1000 was close, but there were a couple of things i liked better on the 1100. Didn't like the 1300 much at all.
We like the look of the sugar scoop, which would suit our habit of mooring stern to. We like the size of the pilothouse, which would give everyone onboard somewhere to sit inside in poor weather (we like to use the boat all year round), rather than sitting "down below". We'd also prefer the pilothouse when just chilling in the marina. The rest of the layout and accommodation suits us too. The engine should be big enough to push it along sensibly if there is no wind and from what i've read, it only needs an f4/f5 to get going. The option of a lift keel could be useful here on the East Coast too.
Fuel costs are only part of why we plan to move to sail. We'd like a bigger boat and 35/40 motorboats are far to expensive to run and most would be out of budget. We also fancy a change from motor boating. On the fishing front, i'm not a hardcore angler and there really isn't any casting to talk of with boat fishing. Really just a case of dropping bait over the side. If we were sailing, we'd most likely do less fishing anyway.
We've made the decision to sell what we have and we'll get out on a sail boat or two before spending the money, but unless we absolutely hate it, which i can't see, it's a done deal. Our last boat was a 10 metre displacement motorboat and we wouldn't really want another. If we're going to plod around at displacement speeds we might as well have the option to sail
I may have over exaggerated (or simplified) the desire to not "have" to sail. I'd like to be able to sail as much as possible, but would like to be able to get out of the weather if i want and be able to just be lazy and use the engine "if" i wanted to.
27-02-12, 18:20 #48
28-02-12, 10:50 #49Registered User
Location : boat Hamble,home Fareham
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- Jul 2008
Further to the recommendations . The Eclipse 33 is equipped with in-mast reefing system, as a result there is a slightly smaller sail area available, however she sails very well, fast enough to compare with a Sigma 33 on the wind, and no slouch downwind either.
I prefer the 38 for the added creature comforts, she also sails well and has a 38hp
I have sailed and demo'd all three of the Eclipses, and had excellent results from them.
One thing though is not to have the darkened glass cockpit windows as one customer did; in inclement weather, and steering from inside, the visibility is greatly impaired - on port tack especially so.
Lovely yachts to handle under power too.
28-02-12, 12:14 #50
Have you any experience with the Espace to compare it to the Moody ?