I guess that 100 years ago there were very few boats around with engines. I would further guess that in another 100 years time there will be a lot more.
Are there mainstream boat builders that still offer boats that have no facility or option for mechanical power? Obviously I do not mean tenders and the like.
I know that you didn't mention marinas, I didn't say that you did, but you DO get idiots trying to sail into marinas onto their berths at very busy times irrespective of and without consideration to the majority of other users.
The problem is that we all co exist and a live and let live attitude should prevail. Motorboat users towing people along at twenty odd knots is stupid and dangerous, just the same as insisting that sailing when and where you want is your God given right, yelling the Dickensian argument "Power give way to sail"
Extremes of either side are dangerous and should be toned down in my opinion.
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We mostly motored out of Poole, at least to past the chain ferry because that warmed up the engine, heated the hot water tank and gave time to put fenders away and pull the mainsail up. We almost always sailed in on our return, having dropped the mainsail outside off Bar Buoy in clear water away from others, going in with just the roller genoa. We had an engine that was instant start if ever needed and the headsail could be rolled away in seconds. We didn't tack in through the entrance, for no reason other than we were just two sailing a biggish boat and we preferred less hassle. Mind you we had to dodge the drifting angler boats and beware (very aware) of the Cobb's Quay cavalry charge if entering of a sunny morn after bridge opening time at a weekend, now THAT was frightening.
The plonker that was fined in Lymington was doing over three times the limit and towing a wakeboarder, that is akin to being brain dead in my book even before he ignored the more forgiving warning approach from the HM. Someone sailing into a narrow crowded channel like into Lymington is inconsiderate, very much so if tacking in, but not plain dangerous and that is an important difference. Also as I pointed out earlier there are quite a few boats in Lymington that have no engines anyway and a few of these are kept right up river at Berthon. Did we sail into and out of Lymington? I have in the past but not if we had to tack and anyway with our later bigger boats preferred to do the sail hoisting and stowage out of the way outside the harbour.
Last edited by Robin; 23-02-12 at 01:01.Sermons from my pulpit are with tongue firmly in cheek and without any warranty!
23-02-12, 04:22 #127
Motor boats are frequently just as unpredictable. Anything that is controlled by an unknown human being has to be assumed to be unpredictable. I've sailed sailed boats, flown aircraft and driven cars and lorries and I certainly wouldn't rate my chances getting to your age if I started assuming people were predictable - I don't believe you assume that for one minute either.
While we're at it I haven't memorised a database of every single yacht ever built and their draft so I don't know when she will reach the edge of the channel (even assuming her skipper and I both believe the channel is the same depth in the first place, which is unlikely unless we're both regular locals) - another reason this claimed predictability is, to be kind, unrealistic.
23-02-12, 10:34 #128
Around cowes you do see a few younger mixed crews but they are far more interested in getting p! 55ed / laid than sailing and usually motor sail everywhere and jump in a fast rib on arrival.
Now I accept an argument that when the younger mobo owners retire they could find themselves with an urge to sail but I dont see it because the mobo lads manage to keep their wives/kids interested, Ive been entertained by 70 year old couples on a fast flybridge and cant see how they could suddenly expect a 70 year old lady to start crewing a 12 m sailing boat.
Thats why many predict a change in the expectations of sailing behaviour, when a sailing boat zigzags out of a narrow channel do you think everyone else including the HM stands back in admiration at the skills or do you think they mutter "look at that daft old sod dangerously blocking the harbour "
Many younger would be sailors are taking to wind surfing / Kite surfing, no need for a club/crew, they will never be introduced to cruiser section and will be able to keep their windsurf/kite gear on a sports boat.
I have noticed a massive change in sailing clubs this last 5-10 years, as stinkers we used to be tolerated and were careful not to speak about motor cruising , now not only are we welcomed but we find the bars are extensively populated with other stinkers !.
23-02-12, 10:39 #129Chrusty 1 Guest
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Don't get me wrong I'm actually a lover of history and tradition, but there's a place for every thing and everything in its place. You don't see too many horse drawn carriages mixing it with the BMW's in the fast lane of the M6, and sailors should confine their unpredictable ( by definition), means of propulsion to open water where they can play to their hearts content.