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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelchapman View Post
    That what it says in Bloc Marine.

    And I put more confidence in that, than in Tim or you (sorry).
    As it happens, from past research I don't think it's TOCWUTPAORDIF, but it will be interesting to see if the "Administrative Instruction" posse are convinced!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbg View Post
    if you do so, you will be making a legal argument regarding the interpretation of French law, and that is really something only a French court can rule on. Not you. Not toad.
    Are people making an "interpretation of French law" when they choose not to put their tender on the SSR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toad_oftoadhall View Post
    Are people making an "interpretation of French law" when they choose not to put their tender on the SSR?
    Sorry, toad/Chelsey - can't be bothered to discuss with you any further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.carpenter View Post
    how many british yachts in UK cannot be SSR registered because their british owners are not residing in the UK? Can't they come to French waters?
    Of course they can. If they register their yacht in the country in which they reside.

    That would be a breach of free circulation of european citizens and they could take it to the ECJ.... You really are clowns... Al
    It is not in any way restriction circulation of European citizens. Some goods are restricted.

    It does not stop free circulation of property anyway, as a yacht can be registered in your country of residence. (At least in the EU as we are talking about EU law). In fact, many countries will happily register it for you without you being resident (e.g. Belgium).

    Bloc Marine concerns french yachts.... do you have on board all of the french requirements regarding security????
    As it happens. Yes. But that is not the point.

    The point is that in common with most places in the world, France expects big things to be registered and that you can produce the original registration document. Whether that is a car, bus, truck, boat, plane, sailing dinghy etc...

    There are exceptions (already been mentioned here).

    In the same way, if I fly to the UK, UK immigration expects me to present a passport. My birth certificate, driver's license, French residence card and even all of them together won't do it.

    Can you show me the UK law which requires that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toad_oftoadhall View Post
    Are people making an "interpretation of French law" when they choose not to put their tender on the SSR?
    As I already told you there are special provisions for tenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.carpenter View Post
    I can only say what the Commander of the Cherbourg Douanes Cutter told me... When I asked him to put it in writting he said he could not...
    As did the first officer at the HQ I spoke to, to query the response given to Toad. He said that he was aware of the correspondance but the only official response could come from the Chef de Bureau.

    Dont acte....

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    Does any RYA member knows the name of the French Lawyer hired by them to look in this matter and PM it to me so that I can contact him? Surely he could drop in here and tell it as it is, in plain words. There is so much rubbish being said on here that his findings would be welcome...
    Traditional Boatyards are not the only place you find thick planks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by toad_oftoadhall View Post
    Why?

    Al provided a verifiable fact. He gave us all the means to check it.

    What's wrong with that and what's wrong with me welcoming that?

    In contrast you won't even identify TOCWUTPAORDIF, ducking the question every time!
    Al provided an unverifiable (officer's) opinion - unverifiable because the officer wouldn't put it in writing. Though I don't doubt Al believed it in good faith.

    What's wrong with that? You do not offer me the same courtesy although I HAVE a written response from a higher authority. That's why you are a hypocrite.

    I have provided the law. You do not recognize this fact because you do not wish to understand the French legal process which I set out in post #82.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.carpenter View Post
    Does any RYA member knows the name of the French Lawyer hired by them to look in this matter and PM it to me so that I can contact him? Surely he could drop in here and tell it as it is, in plain words. There is so much rubbish being said on here that his findings would be welcome...
    I don't know the name of the lawyer used by the RYA but Ariel Dahon is a specialist in marine law and is a leading light on the STW forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toad_oftoadhall View Post
    Just having a poke round and found this gem!!!!



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    Thank you for reminding people of the possible consequences of not having the correct documentation and following the correct procedures when entering a foreign port. However, I am sure most people know that already, or if they are new to cruising abroad will find out pretty quickly by consulting the many authoritative sources for advice.

    You, of course may find this new knowledge useful should you ever venture abroad in your boat.

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