Jeez! Its a free world, the guy is entitled to post his opinion in this forum if he wants to without being told to shut up.
Presumably the pack of sheep will turn on me now.
Lovezoo I have just checked your interests where you list out ""sex & drugs & sausage rolls". As this is a thread concerning VAT I do hope that you realise that soon one of those interests if served hot will attract VAT soon. Please be careful as you can see that there ain't too much sympathy around here on that sort of thing Seriously though there are a lot of us that own our own businesses & we all know that if we get things wrong on the tax front by mistake we will still get clobered very hard for those mistakes & will have to suffer the consequencies. The european court of human rights certainly does not exist in the tax side of business life
Respectfully requesting along with you that the pack of sheep tread carefully allowing the rest of us to learn both sides before we judge if he is a dangerous criminal in need of incarceration in the interests of public safety.
Absolutely Daka & thanks for the support, as you are correctso Lovezoo does have a right to his opinion as well.the benefit of a forum is learning the opinion of all others
Any idea that he could compromise the defence/appeal is nonsense. In cases of miscarriage of justice, supporters shout the facts from the rooftops, and anyway judges don't send people they know are innocent to jail on technicalities.
So come on JFJ, why has the dealer been falsely convicted, or must we just take your word for it? You could start by explaining who forged the invoice, if it wasn't the dealer.
It crossed my mind that many thugs are walking the streets with knives and other weapons waiting at traffic lights wanting my wallet , your car, access codes to your safe, these guys have been arrested for multiple violent crimes but are allowed to circulate freely among us.
Now these guys are normally organised and have managers , and in any event they wouldnt hijack your car or steel your watch if someone wasn't prepared to bag a bargain and turn a blind eye would they.
You seem to be questioning the reliability of the court findings. HMRC does not go to court on a whim - they only go if they are pretty certain of their case or there is a legal principle that is being challenged (not unusual in complex law like VAT). They do not always win - for example recent case of Harry Redknap.
So, in the absence of any new information not available to the court, or an error in the court process, his guilt is proven. As already said the poster has not provided any new facts, although even then they would not be much use to anybody here unless they know exactly what the court heard. If there is anything new it is possibly grounds for appeal.
All we have so far from the poster is that the guilty party is a good bloke who has been stuffed by his accountants. Hardly the basis for forming any rational view that is different from the court's.
However this thread is about, shock horror, someone who didn't pay Customs and Excise what he owed them.
I doubt if there are many business owners on this forum who haven't done the same, just on a smaller scale. Claiming the vat back on a laptop for the kids, doing a job for cash, holding back a payment to the VAT man as a customer is late in paying and so on. Some on here may even have a bank account and a brass plate in places like Monaco and Gibraltar...
Its not even clear if any boat buyer lost out - it seems the worst that might have happened is if they didn't bother to make sure they got the right paperwork, they might not have a genuine vat invoice.
Anyway, you lot can get on with giving JFJ a kicking for sticking up for his mate.
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