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    Default gap-filling adhesive (wood to wood)

    I am refitting some mahogany lips to the plywood cockpit seats. There are some small gaps (about 1 mm) which cannot be accounted for by the sash clamps applying pressure.

    I think the old glue (about 40 yrs old) was Cascamite, which seems to be unavailable in my part of the world, so I am experimenting with Evostik External Wood Glue ( a PU one, I think) mixed with West Systems Microfibres 403 for some bulk.

    The attached pic shows the adhesive and fibre mixture in place on some rough wood (to give an artificial gap). The problem is that after nearly six hours in the warmth of the kitchen, my test piece shows little sign of the adhesive going off to the clear glue line I'd expect.

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    Does anyone have any experience of Evostik and its gap-filling properties please ? And particularly whether it might work with MicroFibres in the situation I have described ?

    Or should I mount an expedition to by some Cascamite from the V&A ? I really don't fancy using proper West resins in the small quantities I need for this job, mainly bcs I don't have experience with it :wimpicon:
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    Dunno about your experiment with Evostick/microfibres but Cascamite now sells under various other names one of which is Resintite available at your local Toolstation http://www.toolstation.com/documents...tite&submit=Go

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    Wests is simple, get yourself whats called a six-10 pack its basically west systems epoxy in a tube gun it costs about 20, link below:

    http://www.ecfibreglasssupplies.co.u...-adhesive.aspx

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    West systems is simple. If you have it, and your using small quantities then mix it by weight on a set of kitchen scales. The ratio is the same as mixing by volume.

    With microfibres it will be structurally sound with as much as a three mill gap.

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    Try a polyurethane glue like Pur Glue. single pot moisture curing although not a structural gap filler. Perfectly adequate in your application. Totally reliable curing, needs no filler and leaves a clean glue line.

    Epoxy thickened with microfibres and microballoons, structurally strong also good but messy, expensive in comparison and probably OTT for the job.

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    I don't know where you're located but Cascamite is still available. Regarding the Evo Stik Exterior glue, I'm pretty sure its a PVA base of sorts and really needs to be under pressure in a thin film to maintain its bonding qualities. When you have an excess of it, it very often doesn't dry clear, just rather milky. If you've mixed it with microfibres it definitely won't. It'll look like congealed porridge, just as it does when mixed with clear epoxy.

    If you are just trying to fill a gap of about a 1 mm (which isn't a lot), why not just apply a little of the evo stick at a time, and if you want to match it in with your mahogany... mix a little mahogany dust in with it.

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    Be grateful that you cannot find any Cascamite. It is horrible stuff, extremely hard and brittle when cured and prone to failure. There is only one adhesive suitable for gap filling worth considering and that is epoxy with a suitable filler. I always use SP 106 as that is what my supplier stocks, though I am sure the West equivalent is just as good.
    Measure the quantities needed with kitchen scales, wear nitrile gloves, mix thoroughly and clean uncured glue with meths. Very simple, and at least as simple as messing around trying to make your own gap filling creation with PU and 403.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodlouse View Post
    West systems is simple. If you have it, and your using small quantities then mix it by weight on a set of kitchen scales. The ratio is the same as mixing by volume.

    With microfibres it will be structurally sound with as much as a three mill gap.
    [QUOTE=srp;4206077]Be grateful that you cannot find any Cascamite. It is horrible stuff, extremely hard and brittle when cured and prone to failure. There is only one adhesive suitable for gap filling worth considering and that is epoxy with a suitable filler. I always use SP 106 as that is what my supplier stocks, though I am sure the West equivalent is just as good.
    Measure the quantities needed with kitchen scales, wear nitrile gloves, mix thoroughly and clean uncured glue with meths. Very simple, and at least as simple as messing around trying to make your own gap filling creation with PU and 403.

    Not many kitchen scales weigh to the precision need for mixing small quantites...... Ours is 2 grams at the bottom end of its range ( 5g higher up)

    A couple of small syringes would do the trick although Maplin offer several pocket scales with resolutions of 0.1g or 0.01 g
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    OP. I've been doing loads of gluing recently on my boat and dinghy. I've got in my garage cascamite, epoxy glues and some Gorilla Glue. This stuff is the most remarkable glue I've ever seen. It dries harder than wood and is very very easy to use. Check it out online and you can get it in home base. It will do your job perfectly

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    You can also mix in the sawdust of the wood your using into adhesives such as Evostick wood glue. This is a cheap and traditional method of filling gaps when gluing it also dries to the same colour as the rest of the wood as it is the same stuff. I too have heard good things about Gorilla Glue although I've never used it myself.

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