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  1. #1
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    Default Diesel Fuel or Sun Flower Oil

    This arguement about the tax on diesel fuel is missing a crucial point.

    You are assuming that the only thing you can put in your fuel tank is either red diesel or fully taxed road diesel.

    What about Avtur (jet engine fuel) for example or Sunflower Oil or old Chipfat or kerosene.

    All will work in a diesel engine.

    Where does the British tax authority insist that you run your boat engine on road diesel ?

    Next point.

    What if you buy fuel from a retailer 3 miles offshore ?

    Think laterally - What have you got to add to my points ?




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    Default Re: Diesel Fuel or Sun Flower Oil

    I like the idea of an offshore supply - if my memory serves me correctly (no comment) this is in operation somewhere else in Europe already.

    But is it 3 or 12 miles offshore?

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    Default Re: Diesel Fuel or Sun Flower Oil

    Hi! could this be a problem as I believe that the EEC country ( France I believe) that the unit operated off, insisted on the boat owner paying the fuel tax upon landing? Does anybody have any further information re this. I can`t see how this could be easily monitored and shouldn`t 3 miles be enough to place one in international waters (Channel accepted)?

    Rob

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    Default Re: Diesel Fuel or Sun Flower Oil

    Regrettably No, it's now 12 miles Territorial Limit.
    Brought in to try and prevent pirate radio stations in the 80's ie Caroline and Laser,
    in concert with the Dutch and the Belgians, (Radios' Veronica, Atlanta, Mi Amigo etc. Very nasty the Dutch and British goverments became in the Mid to late 80's
    Oh, and I think fishing rights in the EEC might have had a bit to do with it....
    Still, I always wanted to start a Pirate Radio station, Now I can do it and finance it from the pirate fuel bunker I'll run alongside....if only....

    Steve.




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    Default Re: Diesel Fuel or Sun Flower Oil

    I would not recommend anything other than regular diesel in a modern engine, the pump tolerances wont cope with it, it will lead to head and valve trouble in highly stressed modern engines not to mention the cold weather viscosity etc!
    However if you have a pretty old engine particularly if it is a low performance engine with a inline or plunger type injection pump you could probably get away with it.

    And yes this is a subject I can talk with some confidence on, I am a qualified Marine Diesel engineer with 25+ years in the industry.
    Dont use Kerosene or Avgas, not only is the viscosity all wrong its highly flammable in comparison with diesel, have a fire and try expalining that to your insurers!

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    Default Re: Diesel Fuel or Sun Flower Oil

    On the subject of alternatives, I used to run an ex- fishing boat with a Gardner engine. The handbook suggested kerosine or lamp oil as an emergency alternative to diesel, BUT with lube oil added to lubricate the fuel pump. Sorry can't remember the proportions but they did say used oil was OK. The Gardner was a big slow running engine - might not work so well in modern high speed diesels.

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    Default Re: Diesel Fuel or Sun Flower Oil

    I beg to differ. Kerosene with added hydraulic oil seems to work very well in modern diesel engines. Might not be quite legal I know, but quite hard to detect!!!..[img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Diesel Fuel or Sun Flower Oil

    standard household smoke alarm within 1nm downwind of engines starting ought to do the job! [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Diesel Fuel or Sun Flower Oil

    Well loads of trucks have been getting away with it for donkeys years. Let sleeping dogs lie. Or lay, as ever the case may be!!

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