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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Tax free bad v Taxed good?

    Hear hear, or is it here here !!

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  2. #12
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    Default Re: Tax free bad v Taxed good?

    'wiping thousands off the value of their boats...'

    Here we have the nub of the argument. Not only will people have to think harder about burning fuel, but their boat will be worth less as they do it.
    Surely anyone spending the large amounts involved in buying a big diesel-engined boat over the last few years, without considering the possible hike in fuel costs if and when the 'concession' ends, was shortsighted?
    We are all at the mercy of fiscal decisions by the Chancellor and/or Brussels. Some are impossible to predict. But when you are taking advantage of a loophole, as leisure users of cheap diesel are doing, you must some day expect it to be closed.

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    "Would not mind an increase"

    So, what do I, personally, gain from this increase?

    Nack all is the answer. It will do nothing for the planet, that will only really happen when aviation fuel is taxed on a polluter pays basis. It will add very little in real terms to the money available for Gordon to throw it at his pet projects, once the administrators have been paid for. All it does is polish Gordon and Tony's socialist credentials.

    I have to say to those who query why the level of tax should stay low, given that all are innocent until proven guilty, no case has been made for change either. If this ends as a zero sum then surely change cannot be justified.

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    Two beers please, my friend is paying.

  4. #14
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    Default Re: Tax free bad v Taxed good?

    Thanks for all the replies but no one has come up with the reason why tax should not be charged on pleasure fuel.

    Incidentally, I will be happy to pay extra for my taxed flight fuel and sure I will have to, as soon as an international agreement is reached to stop airlines filling up in tax free locations.

    As to the tax on road vehicle fuel, I would prefer it to be doubled in place of car tax. This would defeat the 10% who don't pay road tax and encourage the development of more efficient cars and drivers, etc. etc. The income could be used to promote public transport and more of it. Again, an international agreement would be needed.

    If someone can come up with a reasoned arguement why pleasure fuel should be tax free I will be glad to seriously consider their points.

    If you can't convince me, someone who will loose too, you stand no chance against the Treasury.

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  5. #15
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    Are you totally insane ? You would seriously prefer the government to double Road Fuel Duty and abolish Vehicle tax..???
    Tax on Road Fuel is about 50p per litre approx...dont know exactly.
    I use about 200 litres per month, mainly going back and forth to my boat, so that is £100 in tax on fuel per month, £1200 per year. You want the British Government to double what I pay to £2400 per year and by way of compensation give me £175 worth of Road Fund Tax for nothing...great what a bargain!!!
    Apart from bringing British Industry to it's knees overnight, and the effects of the civil unrest that would undoubtedly follow, most of us would be priced off the road permanently. Where is all this public transport that you advocate...this isnt Germany you know, they cant even get the damn railways right here..and probably have no chance of ever doing so.

    My freind, I dont wish to be offensive, but, you have either totally mis-read the situation with regard to UK tax or have been at sea for far too long.

    A rather miffed Steve.


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  6. #16
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    I am not advocating any increase. I would much prefer the satus quo, but maybe if we give a little on the VAT perhaps, then we can avoid the huge hike up to Road fuel duty level, which will wipe us out.

    Steve.

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  7. #17
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    Chris, you seem to think that all motorboaters go out and buy a gin palace for half a millon quid. Most of us buy secondhand boats costing maybe a tenth of that and struggle to maintain it and pay the marina fees, because it has been our life long dream to own a boat. The guy with a 75ft motoryacht will be able to afford fuel whatever it costs. The people it affects are like me, working with families who will be priced out, or keep it as a Marina cottage, and Yes I cant afford to have 10,000 quid wiped of the value of my boat.... not after all the work Ive done on it .
    All I'm trying to say is please dont tar us all with the same brush because of your recent and unfortunate encounter.
    Your experience was the very reason that I chose not to have my boat on the south coast, because of all the idiots, although its closer for us than Swansea.
    You should try the Bristol Channel, you'll find things a whole lot more courteous, and great sailing too.

    Steve.



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    Seams the common thing at the moment, if you have nothing you're ok, if your very rich you're ok, if your working for a living you've had it. If you're self employed forget it, either my accountant or the taxman lost my self assesment return last year, so they decided it was late, so they are now trying to charge interest on late payment of the prepayment for next years tax bill, that is 2005 / 2006.
    At the moment my customers are not willing to pay there invoices for the period though, they have a odd idea that I have to supply the goods first.

    Brian

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    Given that government is by the consent of the governed then surely tax should be by consent of the taxed. Prove to me that a tax hike benefits _me_ and I'll be more willing to accept the idea that it should not be opposed.

    Now, what benefit will there be that oversets
    £5-10K off the value of the boat
    Can only afford to fill the tank once or twice per year.

    Don't apply the standard green nonsense, the marine pollution contribution is too negligible to count, and if you balance that against increased pollution from marginal boats that are abandoned/sunk (and we all know this happens) the net pollution may even increase.

    As for the impact on businesses, Lancing Marine, Coastal Rides etc make a lot of their business out of supplying diesels at the cheaper end of the market, for replacing expensive petrol engines.

    So, one of the "pro increase" types, let's see a rational justification based on benefits to the taxed

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  10. #20
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    Brian,

    I sold out my own business in 1985 on doctors orders, after having a nervous breakdown, mainly caused by overwork and having to chase customers for money all the time, some of them only too willing to turn you over for thousands, as some did.
    I dont envy you.

    Steve.


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