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  1. #11
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    I've just had a new mainsail made with the same batten arrangement as the old one:

    2 full length battens at the top and another 3 short ones. No need for fancy track, reduced chafe problems, sets very well and good longevity. I estimate the old dacron sail had done 4 + Atlantic crossings, it was pretty ripe! All in all, a good compromise.

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    Just want to know, is it easier to reef when going down wind with with a fully batten main
    with cars ?

    As apposed to a standard main .... That won't
    That remind s me...

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    I don't race.
    My full battens don't use fancy cars, just normal D toggles, so they are much cheaper to retro fit or specify from new. They give the sails good shape and make them easier to handle single handed. I wouldn't go back to short battens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baggy View Post
    Just want to know, is it easier to reef when going down wind with with a fully batten main
    with cars ?

    As apposed to a standard main .... That won't
    No! I know Mr Cunliffe bangs on about this, it's doable, marginally more so with a stack-pack, but still a sail trashing exercise IMHO.

    I personally think stack-packs are almost essential for those sailing light handed with big deep mains; modern sports boats have gone this route as it creates a better airfoil. As one drops below 35m^2 they become more optional and other cheaper solutions work just as well. Costs can be kept down a bit by using plastic slugs, etc., but as with most things the cost/complexity of the final solution will be proportional to the size of the rig.

    Re handling/de-powering, a fully battened main behaves very differently to a partially battened one when de-powered. But unless you are into the scandalising trick, fully battened sails are highly predictable and user friendly animals; they don't flap so much when head to wind which helps extend sail life and prevents the boom from being flung around so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baggy View Post
    Just want to know, is it easier to reef when going down wind with with a fully batten main
    with cars ?

    As apposed to a standard main .... That won't
    Yes, if the sail is sheeted in tight first and topping lift raised (as you normally would), but if I'm going to turn down wind I drop the main and use twin headsails
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    Dom, it looks like pistols at dawn!
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    I've had a fully battened main for years and love it; the one gripe is that you've got to be head to wind to drop it, and reefing with the wind more than about 30 degrees off the head is almost impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyInBed View Post
    Yes, if the sail is sheeted in tight first and topping lift raised (as you normally would), but if I'm going to turn down wind I drop the main and use twin headsails
    OK if you're dead downwind I'm going to fly the white flag. But I hope you have a good AP if you're attempting that trick in any wind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    I've had a fully battened main for years and love it; the one gripe is that you've got to be head to wind to drop it, and reefing with the wind more than about 30 degrees off the head is almost impossible.
    +1

    In some ways I do miss Kindred Spirit's gaff mainsail - with hoops sliding on a round mast, it didn't matter which way the hull underneath happened to be pointing, the sail could still slide up and down. And letting out a few feet of peak halyard to instantly halve the sail area and go into "first gear" was brilliant for sailing in or out of an anchorage under control. The twin topping lifts worked like rudimentary lazy jacks so the sail didn't go everywhere. I did hate putting the sail cover on though, being able to simply do up a zip on Ariam's stackpack is very nice.

    Pete

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    I'm half way. Three full length battens at the top, two 3/4 length one at the bottom. No, I don't know why but North recommended it, and I reckon they know a deal more about sails that I do. Seems to work pretty well
    Next time, it'll all be different.

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