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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodlouse View Post
    It's a brave man who puts that supposition to the test on a downwind leg.
    Indeed! Though if you look at the gybe at about 5:30, they don't seem that quick in getting it back on...

    You never know, I might be right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by horatio_nelson View Post
    Great answers

    I still want one...

    Can a standard sail be retro-fitted as fully-battened?
    Yes, see my post 13!
    ps just remembered that I have some pics after retrofit
    may be large so will put up link!

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/roi1tynp1g...T0819.JPG?dl=0

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3gvy0pfsf...T0820.JPG?dl=0
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    Full length, but were the short battens left in place, or are those just the old pockets?
    Next time, it'll all be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaming View Post
    Indeed! Though if you look at the gybe at about 5:30, they don't seem that quick in getting it back on...

    Looked to me like the lazy runner went on before the boom went over. It might not have been very tight but there was enough tension in it for that guy to use it as a hand hold as he crossed the stern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister_Ken View Post
    Full length, but were the short battens left in place, or are those just the old pockets?
    Just old pockets left in place.
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    Following an incident, we needed a new rig and sails. The sail maker recommended a fully battened main for cruising. Great.

    However we are a ketch, and upwind we find the mizzen is all but useless due to back winding from the fully battened main. We can only really use the mizzen well off the wind, or if we seriously reef the main, or we sail genoa and mizzen downwind, with the main stowed.

    Been an interesting new sailing and performance discovery process!! Upwind we sail as if we we are a somewhat smaller boat.

    Haven't seen an answer to this conundrum yet........though we keep trying different strategies - suggestions most welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaming View Post
    No, twin backstays going to the aft most winches. Mostly a tuning aid I'm told though.
    Plus means you don't break off the mast above the hounds when under kite.

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    Angus;

    'Sailing performance on a Dragonfly comes more from brute force and ignorance than any twiddly sail shape tweaking '

    So why inflict your opinions and insults on others when your boat tuning amounts to this, and as a designer chum of mine said " a multihull is only really stable when it's upside down ! "

    Best see to your own garden before telling others how to plant theirs.

    Personally I think fully battened mains are ugly; I've had a Dart 18 with them and sailed among many a dinghy fleet looking at Solo's etc'.

    Unless one can tension each batten to suit the camber required on the day I don't see much point, they're also prone to breakage wth resulting hassle and costs.

    The complexity, potential for a nasty problem ( polite version ! ) and silly cost cars, trapped mpoisture all the way along and chafe at the luff are just a few of the other reasons for an experienced sailor to avoid them, if I couldn't tune my sail without taking it down and setting batten tensions quite often - every day, every few hours, every few minutes according to how I felt, it would be a right pain.

    Roll tacking in light airs to reset the battens is more difficult on a sizeable cruiser too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
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    Substance over style

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
    Angus...

    <lots of angry deleted drivel>
    Because, oh angry one, every sail has halyard tension as a means of adjustment (even mine), and if you read and are able to comprehend the thread, you will see that was what the discussion was about.

    I'm not sure how the stability of multihulls is relevant to a discussion on fully battened sails.
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