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  1. #81
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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    I've seen one, as I mentioned earlier. Next time I'll take a photocopier, and a scanner onboard.
    S'OK most in here believe you. After all you've only seen evidence of what the Belgian govt stated that they would do, it's not like it should come as a surprise to anyone.

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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    I've seen one, as I mentioned earlier. Next time I'll take a photocopier, and a scanner onboard.
    Sorry, I may have given the impression that I was doubting the integrity of some of the posters, that was not the intention.

    but to take this issue forward I need to have something more solid than....I was told by an imaginary friend on an Internet forum! As does the RYA, our elected representatives and other interested parties I will be contacting when I have hard evidence.

    The nice thing about being retired is that I can devote time and energy to mini campaigns on things that interest me.
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  3. #83
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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBz View Post
    I agree 100% with Colvic Watson that since the Belgian law is that it's illegal to have red diesel you can't be surprised if you get fined regardless of what documentation or attitude you carry.

    However... we are more or less committed to taking part in a 'beginners' really to Ostend at the end of next week, so how can we be 100% sure that we have all of the required paperwork etc. in the correct format?

    * Boat name is on both sides of the bow


    We have no home port or boat name on transom. Issue? If so what constitutes a 'port' in this context?
    On this one - which I have just noticed I can comment - It happened to ME & is NOT second hand

    A few years ago I was in Ostend at start of the season. 2 officials - dressed in brown fatigues so assume pilice- boarded & asked to see papers
    They pointed out that as I had not got boat name on stern I was liable to a fine. However, they accepted I was a visitor & they did not want to deter tourists they would let me off with a verbal caution

    later in the year I stayed there for 2 weeks with my wife. Moored stern on in a box just to the right of the RNSYC
    Some officials came aboard & said that there was to be a TV film about the joint action between Belgian, Dutch & British against drug smuggling.
    Would we like to be filmed.
    Being anti drugs we were more than willing to oblige. The cameras were set up on the pontoon & a couple of customs chaps came aboard & filmed the usual checks & filmed them asking us questions.
    An hour after the filming a young policeman came & said that his chief ( who was standing on the wall some way away watching) had noticed we did not have our name on the stern. - no mention of port-We were liable to be fined. I protested that as it was not a condition on UK boats the EU would not insist that we needed it in Belgium. He said he could not comment. He advised us that they were going to examine the film. If the part of the stern did not come up on the film they might turn a blind eye. However, if the film showed the whole transom we would be fined. ( I think he said something like 2000 euro but forget )
    I used a felt tip pen & wrote the name on the stern & the young officer came & told me to remove it immediately as his boss thought we were taking the p..ss
    Later that evening he returned ( his boss once again stood on the sea wall-- too gutless to come himself) to say all was OK as the stern did not show on film. If we returned to Ostend without said name we would definitely be fined

    I now have the name & SSC (for the club) on the stern in minimum 50mm high letters. I have always had the name on the bow both sides
    It is all down to the fact that my wife does not understand me !!

  4. #84
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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    I spent August (2015) 24 nights in Ostend.
    I had significant amounts of red in the tank although I had receipts for white fuel used in France on a 7 week cruise just before visiting Ostend
    In that time I managed to evade any customs visits as i was always lucky enough to be drinking in the RNSYC
    Over the period I saw approx 6 UK boats staying . Most for only a couple of nights
    I saw 4 of them boarded by police &/or customs- They only went for UK boats & did not touch Dutch boats
    i asked each owner after the visit if they had been questioned on fuel
    They all said they had not been questioned. They all had amiable chats with the officials. Only one of them said he had changed to white fuel

    Simon - the new HM at Ostend says very few UK boats go there anymore & the RNYC & other YC's have protested to the authorities re the effect the legislation has had on UK boats visiting Belgian ports & loss of income but did not comment on the effect of that

    As an aside- Ostend is getting more expensive now Robert has retired & the system of charging has been computerised
    It is all down to the fact that my wife does not understand me !!

  5. #85
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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream believer View Post
    As an aside- Ostend is getting more expensive now Robert has retired & the system of charging has been computerised
    Noticed that too
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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    +2 & my last night wqas very noisy as the club had a moules friet night with LOUD so called music until 03.30, we were leaving at 06.00. i will be looking for a free night nxt yr
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  7. #87
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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    Have to admit that we went into Mercator this year - as we were bruised from a really bouncy night last year in NWlies, and there were NWlies forecast. Also - with almost no British yachts in RNSYC the camaraderie reason for berthing there has lessened. We enjoyed a couple of beautifully still nights.

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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    Why not the RYCO
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  9. #89
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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    Habit as much as anything - never been to RYCO on the boat - have passed by when mooching around the neighbourhood - but we love Oostende for the bars and restaurants and RYCO is a way out of town.

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    Default Re: Ostende and red diesel - BEWARE

    Quote Originally Posted by sailorman View Post
    Why not the RYCO
    The RYCO pontoons look old & run down. The marina is in a rather industrialised area with views of the aggregate yard etc & it is quite away from the better parts of the town,
    We pedaled bikes to Blankenburgh this year & went past. There seemed very few spare slots & some of the boats looked run down making the whole site look very depressing
    It is all down to the fact that my wife does not understand me !!

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