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  1. #31
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    Default Re: just arrived in Greece now PP want to stamp dekpa monthly

    Having just been through the process @ Loutro, I can confirm the following points:-

    1. A new, this year, DEKRA, has been introduced. Everyone with a boat exceeding 8m has to have one.
    2. The cost is €50, payable only by cash, through a bank, as the fee.
    3. The new DEKRA is stamped on launch and leaving the water by the local PP.
    4. Additionally it has to be stamped by the PP in the local port of residence, every month the boat is afloat.
    5. Those who leave Greek waters and then return could be required to purchase a new DEKRA.
    6. The penalty for missing the monthly stamp "can be" an on-the-spot-fine of "multiples of the boat's value".

    This should not be conflated with the proposed circulation tax which is still being negotiated, but will obviously support it being administrated.

    All this from a grand-nephew of a certain Col Grivas, I chased round the hills of Cyprus in the late 50's.
    As I pointed out he he was an outstanding sprinter and should have represented Greece @ the Olympics ;-)

    PS It's a good idea to have a Greek tax #. Getting the preliminary paperwork only takes 2:00hrs with one of those. Without it's more likely to take 3 hours - even more for boats with multiple owners, all of whom have to register - father's and mother's full name, birthplace/date....

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    Default Re: just arrived in Greece now PP want to stamp dekpa monthly

    Quote Originally Posted by Flica View Post
    Having just been through the process @ Loutro, I can confirm the following points:-

    1. A new, this year, DEKRA, has been introduced. Everyone with a boat exceeding 8m has to have one.
    2. The cost is €50, payable only by cash, through a bank, as the fee.
    3. The new DEKRA is stamped on launch and leaving the water by the local PP.
    4. Additionally it has to be stamped by the PP in the local port of residence, every month the boat is afloat.
    5. Those who leave Greek waters and then return could be required to purchase a new DEKRA.
    6. The penalty for missing the monthly stamp "can be" an on-the-spot-fine of "multiples of the boat's value".

    This should not be conflated with the proposed circulation tax which is still being negotiated, but will obviously support it being administrated.

    All this from a grand-nephew of a certain Col Grivas, I chased round the hills of Cyprus in the late 50's.
    As I pointed out he he was an outstanding sprinter and should have represented Greece @ the Olympics ;-)

    PS It's a good idea to have a Greek tax #. Getting the preliminary paperwork only takes 2:00hrs with one of those. Without it's more likely to take 3 hours - even more for boats with multiple owners, all of whom have to register - father's and mother's full name, birthplace/date....
    That's not what the law says (at least that's not what the English translation says). It's quite clear that the stamp is valid for 12 months.

    The one month stamp was law a couple of years ago but it's since been replaced by a yearly stamp (even before the new DEKPA) my bet is the uninformed (or just stupid) PP are still implementing the old law. Nothing new there then.....
    Mostly harmless....

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    Default Re: just arrived in Greece now PP want to stamp dekpa monthly

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cross View Post
    That's not what the law says (at least that's not what the English translation says). It's quite clear that the stamp is valid for 12 months.

    The one month stamp was law a couple of years ago but it's since been replaced by a yearly stamp (even before the new DEKPA) my bet is the uninformed (or just stupid) PP are still implementing the old law. Nothing new there then.....
    We're currently in the yard at Kilada where the office manager told us about the new DEKPA. He said that he had received the information about the DEKPA in October of last year, by post, and that it was normal that all involved authorities/parties would receive the information at the same time. BUT, he said, post doesn't always get opened! He was sending people to the PPs in Porto Heli and they claimed that they knew nothing about it!

    So my guess is that they are uninformed because someone in the office is too stupid to open the mail!
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    Default Re: just arrived in Greece now PP want to stamp dekpa monthly

    Quote Originally Posted by Flica View Post
    Having just been through the process @ Loutro, I can confirm the following points:-

    1. A new, this year, DEKRA, has been introduced. Everyone with a boat exceeding 8m has to have one.
    2. The cost is €50, payable only by cash, through a bank, as the fee.
    3. The new DEKRA is stamped on launch and leaving the water by the local PP.
    4. Additionally it has to be stamped by the PP in the local port of residence, every month the boat is afloat.
    5. Those who leave Greek waters and then return could be required to purchase a new DEKRA.
    6. The penalty for missing the monthly stamp "can be" an on-the-spot-fine of "multiples of the boat's value".

    This should not be conflated with the proposed circulation tax which is still being negotiated, but will obviously support it being administrated.

    All this from a grand-nephew of a certain Col Grivas, I chased round the hills of Cyprus in the late 50's.
    As I pointed out he he was an outstanding sprinter and should have represented Greece @ the Olympics ;-)

    PS It's a good idea to have a Greek tax #. Getting the preliminary paperwork only takes 2:00hrs with one of those. Without it's more likely to take 3 hours - even more for boats with multiple owners, all of whom have to register - father's and mother's full name, birthplace/date....
    4, 5 and 6
    Most of us know that what happen in one part of Greece can be totally different to another part .
    So I not going to say the info you just given is in correct .
    What I can say is I myself only got a new DEPKA some weeks back and was clearly told it has to be stamp within one year .
    As well as that I personal have spoken to many cruisers ( around 20 ) who have got there new DEKPA, all been told the same , some like Nora Biron have even had his old DEKPA stamp .
    Can't quite understand your Ps , if your advising people to get a Greek tax number , I would suggest by doing so your opening a can of worms , it took up no more then an hour in all to get our DEKPA and that includes waiting in line at the bank , tax office and then waiting for it to be written by hand at the PP .
    Last edited by sailaboutvic; 26-04-17 at 17:14.

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    Default Re: just arrived in Greece now PP want to stamp dekpa monthly

    Quote Originally Posted by Flica View Post
    Having just been through the process @ Loutro...
    So, what do we know?
    1. The OP was told, on getting a "new" DEKPA at Loutra, that he needed it stamped every month.
    2. The "new" DEKPA he was sold at Loutra was actually an old, obsolete document (for which he was nonetheless charged the new €50 fee).
    3. That Flica, at Loutra, was also told he needed monthly stamps on his DEKPA (which may be "old" or "new" or even actually new: we're not told).

    Most reasonable conclusion:
    1. The descendants of Cypriot freedom fighters don't necessarily know Jack Sh*t.
    2. PP at Loutra are ignorant half-wits and quite possibly guilty of fraud.

    P.S. Seems there are several Loutras/Loutros. Maybe they have something else in common.
    Last edited by macd; 26-04-17 at 17:34.
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    Default Re: just arrived in Greece now PP want to stamp dekpa monthly

    Quote Originally Posted by Flica View Post
    Having just been through the process @ Loutro, I can confirm the following points:-

    1. A new, this year, DEKRA, has been introduced. Everyone with a boat exceeding 8m has to have one.
    2. The cost is €50, payable only by cash, through a bank, as the fee.
    3. The new DEKRA is stamped on launch and leaving the water by the local PP.
    4. Additionally it has to be stamped by the PP in the local port of residence, every month the boat is afloat.
    5. Those who leave Greek waters and then return could be required to purchase a new DEKRA.
    6. The penalty for missing the monthly stamp "can be" an on-the-spot-fine of "multiples of the boat's value".

    This should not be conflated with the proposed circulation tax which is still being negotiated, but will obviously support it being administrated.

    All this from a grand-nephew of a certain Col Grivas, I chased round the hills of Cyprus in the late 50's.
    As I pointed out he he was an outstanding sprinter and should have represented Greece @ the Olympics ;-)

    PS It's a good idea to have a Greek tax #. Getting the preliminary paperwork only takes 2:00hrs with one of those. Without it's more likely to take 3 hours - even more for boats with multiple owners, all of whom have to register - father's and mother's full name, birthplace/date....
    I think this post is best ignored. If forumit's suffer this abuse then frankly it's time to tell the Greek to sod off. Go back to the basic details posted here. It has been confirmed by the min of shipping

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