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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream believer View Post
    With my lift up version it would be dead easy to make an emergency rudder to fit the mounting bracket in place of the vane so one might consider that a big plus. The bracket is fairly strong. If I was going offshore I would almost certainly make one.
    I too have a lift up Aries............great bit of kit. On my previous boat I had a Sea-Feather: also a great bit of kit but not as massively built as the Aries.

    I'm interested in your suggestion regarding the use of the Aries bracket as the mounting for an emergency rudder. (not that I have ever heard of Rivals suffering rudder failure) Do you have any drawings or sketches of how you would create this emergency rudder?

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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream believer View Post
    Nobody has mentioned the Aries . . . Now Denmark I believe.
    Not Denmark anymore. It's now a Dutch guy seeing if he can make a go of it.

    But the Danish guy did make one modification that was well worth while under his ownership - his pivot for the servo paddle is well engineered and he claims it fits all English made and subsequent models.

    When buying old secondhand self steering gear, do bear in mind that many have been subject to continuous development. The Monitors all have a serial number on them and Scanmar will tell you it's age and specification.

    Likewise with Aries, Helen Franklin is still around in Falmouth with intimate knowledge of the English made ones and does have (almost) all the spares. But be careful - there were a lot of mixed metals on the Aries and I've had a few which have proved to be impossible to (economically) repair. Remember the hay-day for windvave steering gear was quite a while ago and some of these gears can be nearly 50 years old with a lot of miles under their belts. Conversely some gears have been bought by dreamers and have had very little use. Caveat Emptor!

  3. #23
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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    Quote Originally Posted by Fascadale View Post
    I too have a lift up Aries............great bit of kit. On my previous boat I had a Sea-Feather: also a great bit of kit but not as massively built as the Aries.

    I'm interested in your suggestion regarding the use of the Aries bracket as the mounting for an emergency rudder. (not that I have ever heard of Rivals suffering rudder failure) Do you have any drawings or sketches of how you would create this emergency rudder?
    Not yet because i have not had reason to apply my mind to it properly. However. it would slot onto the 2 stubs at the top & i would have some sort of brace on the lower part that would clamp around a tube which would extend up. Then a long tiller to steer by.
    The brace would probably be a half collar such that the fixed half would be in front of the steering oar. With a removable bit to go behind it to form the bottom bearing. Then when the main rudder broke an emergency clamp would go over the oar & I would try to steer a bit for a while until conditions allowed me to remove the wind vane complete & fit a proper emergency rudder stock
    All needs thinking but only a small amount of metalwork.
    It is all down to the fact that my wife does not understand me !!

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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    Quote Originally Posted by H35 View Post
    Here's my platform. Not so sure this will be rigid enough though
    Attachment 63995
    Tricky.
    Also the spigot attachment needs to be just below deck level, which is quite high.

    It ought to be possible to fabricate something locally, in 25mm tube that looks appropriate to your very nice platform, adds rigidity (with an additional fixing to the transom) and provides a suitable mounting height. It can be set back quite a way from the front (back) edge of the platform as you can see in the sizes here:

    http://www.windvane.co.uk/Mounting.aspx

    I guess the Windpilot is similar.

    Leaving the outside strip of teak still showing it may be possible to put something together that looks a bit like a handhold and leaves the platform usable, certainly when you have the gear dismounted.

    The Windpilot gear looks like the work on an engineer you need the aid of a designer, I think :-)

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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    I'll just chip in to mention the Hebridean wind vane. A friend of mine used one on his Co32 for a trip to Faeroe and was extremely pleased with it.
    It is only available as a kit, so you have to do some woodwork to complete it (you could use another material but the designer found wood was perfectly good enough). A big advantage is cost, at only £600 for the kit. It used to be available even cheaper as a set of plans but that left you with a lot of fiddly metalwork to do, so the designer has stopped supplying it in that form.

    The unique feature of the Hebridean is that there is no hinge between the air and water elements- they are simply two ends of a rigid pole, which pivots on its mounting. I thought this would induce all sorts of problems with the wind vane getting funny apparent wind angles as it was swept back and forth by the water paddle, but it seems to be an unfounded concern. I actually met the designer and asked him about that, he was quite confident that it was not an issue and explained why, although I cannot remember his reasons now!
    A big advantage of this design is that it is very easy to mount and demount- my mate who has one lifts it off its bracket with one hand and sticks it down the side deck, so it is safe from harm when not in use.

    Makes my Navik look quite vulnerable- I live in fear of it getting bashed and written off.
    Moody 39- Deb 33- Wayfarer- Wanderer

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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    The great majority of long distance sailing boats have a Hydrovane as we did. These are some ARC boats with them: http://www.hydrovane.com/galleries/a...gallery/page/1

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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    Quote Originally Posted by KellysEye View Post
    The great majority of long distance sailing boats have a Hydrovane as we did. These are some ARC boats with them: http://www.hydrovane.com/galleries/a...gallery/page/1
    I know. That's why I have leaned towards it for a while. But £2000 for a more than 20 year old wane is a bit mad.

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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    I recently installed a Seafeather (UK made) on my Rival32 (also classic?).
    Seems to perform exceptionally well, though this is only my first season with it.
    Geoff. C.: Galvanizing and anchor manufacturing.

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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    The real test for a wind vane is not upwind as nearly all will do this easily. What you need is one which will deal with a big beam sea coming in at 45 degrees off the stern quarter in a fair breeze. This is usually a killer to an electric autopilot & it needs a powerful vane. If you use a Hydrovane you need a yacht that will hold a fairly good course in these conditions without much rudder adjustment on the main rudder when set so that the hydrovane rudder only has to adjust a bit.
    I know that my direction-ally unstable fin keel yacht ( needs a lot of course correction on any point of sailing) the boat will zig zag all over the place & totally overpower my Raymarine AV100 autopilot,
    The same happens with my Aeries but it has much more power & will get the boat back on course whereas the AV100 will just cut out. I would go for a servo type system. A hydrovane would not work at all as I could not set the main rudder to a single setting
    When i sailed round UK I noticed that many of the serious Dutch & German yachts used the windpilot systems & all spoke well of them
    It is all down to the fact that my wife does not understand me !!

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    Default Re: Decent wind vane for classic 35ft sailboat

    A wind vane called "Servopilot" (according to seller) has come up for sale at a low price. I can't find anything is this brand, if the name is correct.

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    Any ideas of what it's worth, or If any good?

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