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  1. #51
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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    Nutshell (boring as hell and the lug rig is useless to windward)
    Malcolm Goodwin did a bigger version of the Nutshell called a Water Rat. There is a beautiful example for sale on Gumtree (https://www.gumtree.com/p/boats-kaya...oat/1244075986). If I hadn't just bought a Tammie Norrie then I think I would have found it very hard not to buy that. The rig looks identical to a Nutshell so it probably won't go to windward a great deal better.

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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBz View Post
    Malcolm Goodwin did a bigger version of the Nutshell called a Water Rat. There is a beautiful example for sale on Gumtree (https://www.gumtree.com/p/boats-kaya...oat/1244075986). If I hadn't just bought a Tammie Norrie then I think I would have found it very hard not to buy that. The rig looks identical to a Nutshell so it probably won't go to windward a great deal better.
    Now THAT I think might be the perfect solution, IF re-rigged with a gunter lug mainsail in place of the standing lug, which is only good for playing Swallows and Amazons.

    Actually I like that boat so much I might be tempted myself...

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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    Because it's a heavy thing and it wastes a lot of its length with a strange stern and a pretty but inefficient rig.
    What "strange stern"?

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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    Now THAT I think might be the perfect solution, IF re-rigged with a gunter lug mainsail in place of the standing lug, which is only good for playing Swallows and Amazons.

    Actually I like that boat so much I might be tempted myself...
    Some on here have suggested a scow, which has a standing lug much like a dabber.
    Use of a downhaul at the tack can make useful efficiency benefits, so don't condemn it.

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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    In defence of the Nutshell it's a brilliant, brilliant, yacht tender - the best ever. That's what its designed to do and it does it, wonderfully well. It's just a big boring as a singlehander.

    Oh and I've had a tack downhaul on mine since I built it 25years ago.
    Last edited by Minn; 23-06-17 at 17:30.

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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    Quote Originally Posted by alant View Post
    What "strange stern"?
    Have a look at one sometime.



    It's not really a stern at all. The boat just ... stops. Additionally, on the bigger Drascombes there is plenty of room inside for the outboard, but on the Dabber it just wastes space. Basically it's a Playmobil Pirate Ship made in GRP. I like Drascombes very much, but the Dabber is just too small to pull off the look. Lose the mizzen give it a proper stern and it would be a lot better.

    I completely agree with your points about stability and solidity for the OP's requirements, but he'll get those in an old Wayfarer which will cost less, sail better and give more room.
    Last edited by JumbleDuck; 23-06-17 at 17:16.
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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    Now THAT I think might be the perfect solution, IF re-rigged with a gunter lug mainsail in place of the standing lug, which is only good for playing Swallows and Amazons.

    Actually I like that boat so much I might be tempted myself...
    Oh go on... bring it back to East Anglia. This might help: http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread...highlight=Mast if it's big enough.

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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    Quote Originally Posted by bobdoughty View Post
    Never having been a dinghy sailor my apologies in advance if what I'm asking for doesn't exist but I'm looking for affordable suggestions for an alternative to the Drascombe Scaffie which seem to be both rare and expensive.

    What I'm looking for is a simple lightish boat (GRP for preference) about 14 feet that I can launch, rig and sail single handed, simple sail plan (preferably lug but could be sloop or gunter), a good stable sheltered sea boat (unlikely to tip me in), capable of drying out fairly flat, something I can sit in rather than on, capable of carrying a small outboard, rowing would be nice....

    Which brings me to the Scaffie but there have to be other boats out there that would fit the bill for a day's idling on the water with definitely no racing involved! All suggestions received with thanks...
    As a cruising yachtsman like the OP I've sometimes hankered after a small simple dinghy that I could trail to any stretch of water that took my fancy and indulge in some light-hearted sailing without the complexities and stresses of taking a cruising yacht to sea. I've often heard it said "the smaller the boat the greater the fun". I wonder is this a pleasure that's better in the contemplation than the actuality, be interesting to hear from anyone who does it.

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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    I split my time between dinghy and cruiser.
    For a quick and simple day sail, the cruiser is actually easier. It's already afloat, five minutes from my house, with mast up and sails bent on. So it's a case of grabbing some snacks, drag tender down for the hundred yard row, jump aboard and cast off.
    The dinghy, by contrast, lives on a trailer and needs trailed somewhere, then set up, rigged, and launched. Depending on how good the slipway or beach is, you may have to time the day around high water times. Clothing requires more careful thought, and with no engine you need to be more aware of the chances of getting stuck on calm days. Distance covered is likely to be much less because you can't really be out there for as many hours, lacking any facilities.
    The biggest advantages are that the dinghy costs essentially nothing to own, and I can pop to a variety of different locations relatively easily. It can also be more fun than the cruiser for a quick spin.
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    Default Re: Dinghy for single handed river or estuary sailing

    Quote Originally Posted by JimC View Post
    As a cruising yachtsman like the OP I've sometimes hankered after a small simple dinghy that I could trail to any stretch of water that took my fancy and indulge in some light-hearted sailing without the complexities and stresses of taking a cruising yacht to sea. I've often heard it said "the smaller the boat the greater the fun". I wonder is this a pleasure that's better in the contemplation than the actuality, be interesting to hear from anyone who does it.
    It's not exactly small, but I have a huge amount of fun in my Drascombe Longboat. I've had her a year, almost, and so far I've only used her on Loch Ken (nearby, freshwater) but I am definitely planning to do some expeditions, probably to other interesting bits of fresh water.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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