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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris H View Post
    And me please
    Will do

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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    Quote Originally Posted by Portofino View Post
    Abs, 41 /45 as a new or nearly new proposition with common rail D6 and DpH legs ( the ones with submerged steering rams ) are ok .
    But a bit light weight compared to Rob,s Don Sheard Sunseeker short list ,which have a simpler shaft and none comman rail larger arguably more durable lower reving engines .
    Ok fuel use will be more ,but bigger Engine rooms ,more DIY er able mechanics and a lot heavier for bashing CI wind against current chop etc .
    Remember SS,s are built with trad hand layered mat /resin glassed in bulkheads ,no liners , cores in the hull , or modern lightweight techniques . Bits n pieces like guard rails cleats etc are all high quality .

    So going fwds less likely to fall apart if bashed and easy to survey .
    We have a Camargue 44 as a nieghbour ,on CAT,s looks fab with a blue hull .Sounds great in the marina .
    Ok its no rocket ship -chugs around low to mid 20,s -buts its wearing well and design has stood the test of time easy simple boat to maintain .Great used buy these days .
    Only issue was diesel bug last year buts that's not a modal specific thing .

    It's just a case of looking ar a few - time /travel permitting ??
    We looked at upgrading to a SS portofino 48 last year, but after the boat show & a look at the San Remo ( basicly the same boat, almost), decided Accommodation & domestic equipment was extremely poor in comparison with what we are used to, so staying with the abs brand & a 47. 41 hasn't fallen to bits yet

  3. #23
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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    Quote Originally Posted by Portofino View Post
    Abs, 41 /45 as a new or nearly new proposition with common rail D6 and DpH legs ( the ones with submerged steering rams ) are ok .
    But a bit light weight compared to Rob,s Don Sheard Sunseeker short list ,which have a simpler shaft and none comman rail larger arguably more durable lower reving engines .

    I feel a stern drive 40+ fter is on the edge in the real world -torgue wise from 5.5 L .I mean add in a bit ,not a lot of fouling + Robs diving gear - the thing will struggle to plane .Better to go for something in the 10-15 L bracket -given a choice! And indifference to fuelling it of course .

    Ok fuel use will be more ,but bigger Engine rooms ,more DIY er able mechanics and a lot heavier for bashing CI wind against current chop etc .
    Remember SS,s are built with trad hand layered mat /resin glassed in bulkheads ,no liners , cores in the hull , or modern lightweight techniques . Bits n pieces like guard rails cleats etc are all high quality .

    So going fwds less likely to fall apart if bashed and easy to survey .
    We have a Camargue 44 as a nieghbour ,on CAT,s looks fab with a blue hull .Sounds great in the marina .
    Ok its no rocket ship -chugs around low to mid 20,s -buts its wearing well and design has stood the test of time easy simple boat to maintain .Great used buy these days .
    Only issue was diesel bug last year buts that's not a modal specific thing .

    It's just a case of looking ar a few - time /travel permitting ??

    I had discounted the portofinos, and the martiniques, as shaft drive...
    I wouldn't even think twice at doing similar to my last one, and a damn good restoration of sorts. Although I'm looking at newer boats to start with.
    I've also dropped anything with super.... Or hawk... In the name ��
    Stunning.... Ballistic.... Etc etc etc..... Yes... Yes... Yes.... Practical... For me. Probably not.
    As much as I love the thought of 60knots, it's probably not happening, accommodation more important
    I have shed space now I can park one in and work on in my own time...
    Last edited by Robg71; 17-07-17 at 16:50.

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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    Quote Originally Posted by rubberduck View Post
    We looked at upgrading to a SS portofino 48 last year, but after the boat show & a look at the San Remo ( basicly the same boat, almost), decided Accommodation & domestic equipment was extremely poor in comparison with what we are used to:
    Agree -fit out is not what it used to be these days .

    I thought we were comparing Don Sheard 90, s early noughties stuff outlined in Rob,s short list .
    Happy to stand corrected if newer P48 and v new SR 48 were on the list ,but those as a used proposition are surely @ completely different price point by several 100 K from what I understand was on the initial list put up by the OP ?

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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    Quote Originally Posted by Portofino View Post
    Abs, 41 /45 as a new or nearly new proposition with common rail D6 and DpH legs ( the ones with submerged steering rams ) are ok .
    But a bit light weight compared to Rob,s Don Sheard Sunseeker short list ,which have a simpler shaft and none comman rail larger arguably more durable lower reving engines .

    I feel a stern drive 40+ fter is on the edge in the real world -torgue wise from 5.5 L .I mean add in a bit ,not a lot of fouling + Robs diving gear - the thing will struggle to plane .Better to go for something in the 10-15 L bracket -given a choice! And indifference to fuelling it of course .
    Agree re stern drives as I am not a fan of anything over forty feet (12 meters) with stern drives. But that apart...
    Absolute 41 and 45s are not cored below water line and use PVC above waterline.
    Also Absolute is one of the better understanding companies of ISS (Integrated Structural System) since the team started this back in the 90s with the Gobbis.
    In my book few builders understand ISS as good as Absolute, and one of them would be Tiara Yachts from the USA who started using ISS in the eighties.

    I mean an Absolute 45 is 2-3 tons lighter to a 46 Portofino (some of this are the bigger engines on 46P) but I am sure the model does not show some of the weakness in non structural areas the S46P does.

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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    What are these like, portofino 400
    I was surprised at its showing only 220hp per side, and I'm guessing has to be on v drive gearbox with the motors so far back...
    Tail heavy maybe... Nice interior though.

    http://clarkeandcarter.co.uk/boats-f...print=1&full=1

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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    Not gonna pull the skins off too many rice puddings with that set up.

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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    My thoughts exactly... It's been castrated....

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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    Suspect a typo the -414.3 is ---- most Likley each side form a 7.2 L CAT. Rated from either 350 or 420 hp .
    From memory they have a tender garage too ?
    Popular here in the SoF ,still cut a fine dash .Has all the hall marks of an easy boat to live with ,and plan a budget around .

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    Default Re: Another new boat thread..

    Hi Rob,

    Great to see you back on the forum. Thanks for the pm and sorry to hear news and also that you sold the 'Bergerac' Sunseeker Good to hear that things are getting back to normal work-wise however and that you're boat hunting. Another one also very much looking forward to an update on the 50 shades of steel...

    Best regards,

    Robin
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