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    Default Re: Seafire over Harwich today

    Quote Originally Posted by johnalison View Post
    It shows what a clumsy beast the Meteor was though.
    A picture tells you that?

    Clumsy was it? Cetainly not a view held by those that flew them...

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    Default Re: Seafire over Harwich today

    Quote Originally Posted by Normalfornorfolk View Post
    A picture tells you that?

    Clumsy was it? Cetainly not a view held by those that flew them...
    I take it that your friends weren't involved with the one per week that crashed.

    Actually, I have always admired the Meteor, but small planes like the Vampire and Mig15 have a special quality of their own.
    Far away is near at hand in images of elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnalison View Post
    I take it that your friends weren't involved with the one per week that crashed.
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    I can't imagine what connection an anecdotal accident rate has to do with an aeroplane's menoeuverability.
    Total non-sequitur.
    Was the (horrific) accident rate back then restricted to the Meteor? Or was it RAF wide - including the Vampire? I suspect you can answer that perfectly well...

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    Default Re: Seafire over Harwich today

    I was referring purely to the plane's visual qualities in relation to the nearby Vampire. I'm no pilot and can't assess its flight characteristics, but I may have underestimated the accident rate, as in : http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-70987.html
    Far away is near at hand in images of elsewhere

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    Default Re: Seafire over Harwich today

    The meatbox was very much a product of 1940's design before anyone had really thought out how to incorporte jet engines into aircraft or really get to grips with proper streamlining. The Vampire had the advantage of being just a year or two later in concept, plus being DeHavilland which naturally improved its chances as a looker.
    As to underestimating the losses, I rather doubt you did! Losses in the 50s were simply horrendous and spreaad across many types.
    To put it into perspective the RAF had thousands of aircraft then (maybe 6000 in the mid '50s) against less than a tenth of that now, and conversion training was pretty arbitary - as many types had no 2 seaters you read the pilot's notes, had a briefing session with an experienced pilot and just flew the thing. With neither training nor theoretical knowledge on turbines converting from a piston engined fighter to a jet must have been a highly risky business from the engine management aspect alone. Add to that the novelty and traps of a twin in the meteor's case - no wonder they lost so many. The shame was it took so long for them to learn a better way.

    To quote from that link;
    I did see that 73 Sqn managed to lose six Venoms in one day just before Christmas 54 in Iraq !

    The losses in the post war years were amazing – quoting from Broken Wings….

    1945 592 a/c lost 638 fatalities
    1946 1014 677
    1947 420 176
    1948 424 205
    1949 438 224
    1950 380 238
    1951 490 280
    1952 507 318
    1953 483 333
    1954 452 283
    1955 305 182
    1956 270 150
    1957 233 139
    1958 128 87
    1959 102 59
    1960 80 46
    1961 74 55
    1962 68 50
    1963 60 41
    1964 62 33
    1965 46 71
    1966 62 33
    1967 60 60
    1968 51 43
    1969 31 22
    1970 36 25
    1971 40 72
    Last edited by Normalfornorfolk; 13-09-17 at 15:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colvic Watson View Post
    Vampires are really cool aircraft. A massive manufacturing and export success for the UK, then we stopped supporting our aircraft industry and now we have to buy from overseas.
    How horribly right you are. The post-war Labour government, and Wilson's administration of 1964-70, were active opponents of the SBAC (Society of British Aircraft Constructors), and Roy Jenkins was thrown out of at least one of their meetings. My Great Uncle had to enact the decision to cancel TSR-2, and the truth behind the cancellation is more disgraceful than most of the conspiracy theories flying about. Apart from the many other issues surrounding the controversy, perhaps the greatest one was that Labour knew they had finally killed-off what remained of our aircraft industry. We designed and built some wonderful aeroplanes after that, but the seeds of the collapse had already been sown.
    Last edited by Major_Clanger; 14-09-17 at 04:34. Reason: Addendum
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    Default Re: Seafire over Harwich today

    I was unfortunate enough to see the "Vintage Pair" accident at Mildenhall in 1986, sad day.
    It was one of those blustery low cloudbase days so they were flying their low level display.

    http://www.ukserials.com/pdflosses/m...a669_xh304.pdf
    Last edited by Startline Al; 14-09-17 at 08:16.

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    Default Re: Seafire over Harwich today

    Back to Seafires

    Are there any airworthy examples left?
    davidej

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    Default Re: Seafire over Harwich today

    Far away is near at hand in images of elsewhere

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