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  1. #1
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    Default D12 Engine survey Nice area

    Hi All,

    Preparing to look a a few boats around Nice area to San Remo. Can anyone recommend a good volvo engineer agent to survey D12 engines in that region?
    I found Sud Marine diesel. Are they trusworthy. From reading the forum I gather the it can be a bit hit and mis.

    Rob

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    Default Re: D12 Engine survey Nice area

    Rob,

    For general surveying and a man to trust try Keith Willis Eurosurvey. He did my boat prepurchase and I was very happy.

    I’m sure he will be able to help.

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    Default Re: D12 Engine survey Nice area

    Quote Originally Posted by rlw View Post
    Hi All,

    Preparing to look a a few boats around Nice area to San Remo. Can anyone recommend a good volvo engineer agent to survey D12 engines in that region?
    I found Sud Marine diesel. Are they trusworthy. From reading the forum I gather the it can be a bit hit and mis.

    Rob
    I find Sud Marine Diesel always quote a lot more than other ( MAN ) agents .
    I know they do VP and other manufacturers service and parts too .
    You could try Y.E.S , Yacht Engine Service , they do pre inspection but are MAN specialists .

    Have you seen any SH or recent invoices ?
    Most 1/2 comptant brokers get together a file of relevant paperwork that prospective buyers are likely to ask to see ??

    Your problem imho is this ,it’s a matter of expectations .
    The buyer wants as new in a 10 y or so boat ,that’s just unrealistic.
    Maintenance is conveyor belt ,constantly turning , the seller jumps off the buyer jumps on .
    Some stuff is time dependent like suggested injector pulling , others just wear ,like exhaust elbows on the D12 ,
    Some stuff is known weakness like leaky sump gaskets on D 12 s .
    Then marine aging like coolers salting up and water pump seals weeping .,batteries decaying etc .

    All you are gonna do flying in from the UK with what they ( locals ) perceive as a fussy “Brit stiff upper lip “ seemingly demanding survey with this that and t,other is create reports at your expense , which when used to chip the buyer for triviality or wear n tear ( to recover your expenses ) puts you at the back of a queue if another punter shows up with any easier route to buying it ,

    Better off taking a knowledgeable mate ,offering to sub the diesel and go out for a run it .
    You might find if you agree a price , “ I will buy it if it’s as described “ for € X .
    “ I,am flying in so really need to test it before committing “

    Bargain s don,t hang around .

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    Default Re: D12 Engine survey Nice area

    Quote Originally Posted by Portofino View Post
    I find Sud Marine Diesel always quote a lot more than other ( MAN ) agents .
    I know they do VP and other manufacturers service and parts too .
    You could try Y.E.S , Yacht Engine Service , they do pre inspection but are MAN specialists .

    Have you seen any SH or recent invoices ?
    Most 1/2 comptant brokers get together a file of relevant paperwork that prospective buyers are likely to ask to see ??

    Your problem imho is this ,it’s a matter of expectations .
    The buyer wants as new in a 10 y or so boat ,that’s just unrealistic.
    Maintenance is conveyor belt ,constantly turning , the seller jumps off the buyer jumps on .
    Some stuff is time dependent like suggested injector pulling , others just wear ,like exhaust elbows on the D12 ,
    Some stuff is known weakness like leaky sump gaskets on D 12 s .
    Then marine aging like coolers salting up and water pump seals weeping .,batteries decaying etc .

    All you are gonna do flying in from the UK with what they ( locals ) perceive as a fussy “Brit stiff upper lip “ seemingly demanding survey with this that and t,other is create reports at your expense , which when used to chip the buyer for triviality or wear n tear ( to recover your expenses ) puts you at the back of a queue if another punter shows up with any easier route to buying it ,

    Better off taking a knowledgeable mate ,offering to sub the diesel and go out for a run it .
    You might find if you agree a price , “ I will buy it if it’s as described “ for € X .
    “ I,am flying in so really need to test it before committing “

    Bargain s don,t hang around .
    Sounds like the LondonRascal method is catching on

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    Default Re: D12 Engine survey Nice area

    to be honest I tend to agree with Portofino. I didn't have a survey on latest boat - I have paid for 5 surveys in the past and I could have written all of them - except the "its not my fault if I miss something legals". I obviously haggledon price and kept the survey fee in my pocket for the inevitable few bits and pieces that I hadn't spotted. Unless you are new to boats better to take someone with you who knows engines and drives and how to spot galvanic problems (pink props). second hand boats are always a risk and I think Portofono has described the situation very well

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    Default Re: D12 Engine survey Nice area

    Quote Originally Posted by kashurst View Post
    to be honest I tend to agree with Portofino. I didn't have a survey on latest boat - I have paid for 5 surveys in the past and I could have written all of them - except the "its not my fault if I miss something legals". I obviously haggledon price and kept the survey fee in my pocket for the inevitable few bits and pieces that I hadn't spotted. Unless you are new to boats better to take someone with you who knows engines and drives and how to spot galvanic problems (pink props). second hand boats are always a risk and I think Portofono has described the situation very well
    Yeah but as, you're a man who will happily remove his engines and I dare say replace them. I was glad of the engineers inspection and sea trial report that I had undertaken on my boat. Saved me 1000's and they were only KAD44's.

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    Default Re: D12 Engine survey Nice area

    I agree with the above comments I am only looking for someone to inspect the engines and hang a vodia tool on them as this does provide some insight into the engine condition.On my Targa 40 I inspected the rest myself and did not have any surprises afterwards. The engines were checked out by Aquatom of this parish. As long as the hull and engines are in good condition the other items I can sort myself.

    Apart from the leaky sumps any other D12 week spots to check? Saw some soot on a T52 exhaust port in the brokers pick. Could you expect visible smoke with these engines when starting up or going onto the plane? Coming from outdrives so not used to above water exhausts.

    Only half Brittish so judging by the comments above I need to take my Belgian pasport

    Rob

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    Cool Re: D12 Engine survey Nice area

    Suggestion:

    How about "proper misuse" of the collective knowledge of the forum members ?

    I think this would work:
    • fly out to Nice
    • take a friend for added weight and sharing thoughts
    • buy a prepay 20 Gig internet bundle as below, for 49 at Lebara - valid for 30 days
    • do the extensive testdrive
    • upload 100 pics here
    • upload the videos to a Dropbox sharing site


    I am sure you will get a comprehensive review of the engine - probably before your return back to port !


    https://mobile.lebara.com/fr/fr/data...-20gb/p/330119

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    Default Re: D12 Engine survey Nice area

    guys trip and pics in the planning Will try to get to 100 pics

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    Default Re: D12 Engine survey Nice area

    Got any dates in mind yet? Always nice to meet a fellow T40 owner, even if you are a soon-to-be-ex T40 owner

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