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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    Quote Originally Posted by solent clown View Post
    Have welder you will never go hungry, but you will alawys be dirty and burned!
    I first learned to use a stick welder, back when you were in short trousers i imagine

    Then i went to work in a garage and learned to gas weld and braze. It was common practice to braze new panels on in those days. Spent many days welding floor pans, sills, chassis sections and the like into Cortinas, MK1 Escorts and the like. Getting burned by molten underseal and the explosions of rust was great fun.

    I remember well when MIG first started to be used, it was a million times better than gas, although most of your work clothes would still have burn holes in them, as would much of your outer layers of skin and flesh

    I can also TIG weld, welding stainless bits of boat is the most burn free welding i've done. I've got a small inverter welder in the van, about as big as a shoe box, and it'll weld about 6mm stainless. I remember when a decent TIG set would fill half the van !
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  2. #22
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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRainbow View Post
    I first learned to use a stick welder, back when you were in short trousers i imagine

    Then i went to work in a garage and learned to gas weld and braze. It was common practice to braze new panels on in those days. Spent many days welding floor pans, sills, chassis sections and the like into Cortinas, MK1 Escorts and the like.
    Maybe you were in short trousers when I started my motor trade apprenticeship, Cortinas, Escorts and the like hadn't been invented After welding in new panels on Jags and some others, we used to lead the joints before a very thin smear of filler.

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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamM376 View Post
    Maybe you were in short trousers when I started my motor trade apprenticeship, Cortinas, Escorts and the like hadn't been invented After welding in new panels on Jags and some others, we used to lead the joints before a very thin smear of filler.
    I was wondering as i typed my post how many people involved in the motor trade today would be able to braze. How ever many it is, it will be infinitely more than those that can do lead body work. I've only ever known one person that could do it well, sadly long gone now.
    Rainbow Marine.
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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRainbow View Post
    I was wondering as i typed my post how many people involved in the motor trade today would be able to braze. How ever many it is, it will be infinitely more than those that can do lead body work. I've only ever known one person that could do it well, sadly long gone now.
    I can still do both. braze well, lead badly! Last thing I brazed was a Cresta PA resto where the pillars met the shell. We don't do restos any more (except volunteers cluttering up the shop with their own junk) and I do not miss it. Shiny new metal is so much better

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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRainbow View Post
    I was wondering as i typed my post how many people involved in the motor trade today would be able to braze. How ever many it is, it will be infinitely more than those that can do lead body work. I've only ever known one person that could do it well, sadly long gone now.
    I wouldn't be able to do it now, I'm so out of practice I need to do a test piece before welding anything. Started working life as an apprentice panel beater but then changed to mechanic. Gave it up professionally 50 years ago, too poorly paid then.

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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    A small group of us clubbed together to buy an oxyacetylene set when we were apprentices. We rented an unused domestic garage (don't even think about the lack of insurance). We fabricated and brazed kart frames, Cutlass, Class 4 iirc. They were fitted with the then ubiquitous Villiers 9E, overbored to 210 cc. Amal carb and fabricated exhaust.

    They were blisteringly fast and it didn't take me long to deduce that I didn't have the skill to handle one. Perhaps now I understand why sailing at 5kts has such appeal

    As I wrote in my OP, that was more than 40 years ago. I'm quite looking forward to "striking an arc" after such a long break. It's nice to be retired, I only hope I don't make a dogs' dinner of it and have to go cap in hand to a small garage for help

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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidjackson View Post
    We fabricated and brazed kart frames, Cutlass, Class 4 iirc. They were fitted with the then ubiquitous Villiers 9E, overbored to 210 cc. Amal carb and fabricated exhaust.

    They were blisteringly fast and it didn't take me long to deduce that I didn't have the skill to handle one. Perhaps now I understand why sailing at 5kts has such appeal
    I did some kart chassis building back in the 90's, 250 National, super fast !! 100mph + with your bum an inch off the floor
    Rainbow Marine.
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  8. #28
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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    I have put together over 3 dozen steel boats ,mostly 36 footers,over the last 40 years, mostly using a cheap AC 225 amp buzzbox stick welders . In one shop, doing structural steel, we had one welding at 225 amps, full time ,three shifts.
    The rated duty cycle was 20%.
    Never felt the need for anything fancier, altho I have used fancier welders (with no obvious advantages)
    On my boat, I use an engine driven 100 amp alternator from the auto wreckers, for welding, $25, the smoothest DC welder I have ever used.
    Welders who have used some very expensive welders , agree.
    Last edited by Brent Swain; 13-01-18 at 01:41.

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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    You have any pics of your alternator set up? 12 v or 24?

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    Default Re: Welding set recommendation?

    On the mig-welding forum, there is/was a US poster who had a web site on how-too. Vertical drive mower engine of around 12/15 hp driving one or more 100+amp alternators with a choke coil and some other bits. I will see if I can find the linc.

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