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    The Turkish economy is in free fall, or rather under the control of ill equipped and poorly educated, unelected ministers, appointed by an even more poorly educated, Islamist president! The future does not bode well for the country. As someone previously said, the marinas and yacht industry use euros as their currency, arguably this might be considered protectionist, but more realistically, this is outright profiteering. The marinas charge customers 5 euros (approx 35 TL) for 1 tonne of water. The cost to them is less than 75 Kurus. I am a bit tired, but that is about a 4,500 % markup! It is a similar case with electricity. Whilst it may be a non event for foreigners, it is killing many locals, even with interest rates at 19% , without an income in dollars, euros or sterling it is a from outlook for the nationals here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by satsuma View Post
    The Turkish economy is in free fall, or rather under the control of ill equipped and poorly educated, unelected ministers, appointed by an even more poorly educated, Islamist president! The future does not bode well for the country. As someone previously said, the marinas and yacht industry use euros as their currency, arguably this might be considered protectionist, but more realistically, this is outright profiteering. The marinas charge customers 5 euros (approx 35 TL) for 1 tonne of water. The cost to them is less than 75 Kurus. I am a bit tired, but that is about a 4,500 % markup! It is a similar case with electricity. Whilst it may be a non event for foreigners, it is killing many locals, even with interest rates at 19% , without an income in dollars, euros or sterling it is a from outlook for the nationals here!
    If I felt like that about Turkey I wouldn’t want to stay here but as the song says there’s no place else on earth I’d rather be.

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    I really don't understand where feelings come into it. I don't believe anything I have written here is incorrect. The new political system here in turkey allows the president to place unelected people in ministerial positions, to the point, his son in law is now the minister of finance and treasury! Look how well that is going! El presidente himself, never graduated from university, which is a requirement for holding the post, he is also an active member of the Muslim brotherhood, and promotes their agenda, above turkey's.
    Setur marinas charge 5 euros per cubic metre of water, at their own cost of under 75 Kurus, which is a margin exceeding 4,500%. The ordinary Turkish people, are the one's suffering and struggling in this climate, with rising inflation. Is there something that I missed? Anything unclear or misleading?
    Not sure quite where feelings affect these issues, or why I would leave my own country because of them?
    But I do understand why many parasites might enjoy the current climate, and take advantage of the financial conditions, and destabilised exchange rates.

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    Last I heard the change to a presidential system was decided by way of a referendum and the present incumbent was elected with more than a 50% majority. Let me know when you decide to stand for public office and I’ll definitely support you if you campaign for cheaper water and electricity in Setur marinas. It’s a bit fanciful however to think that ordinary Turkish people give an incir about the charges in the marinas. People still remember the crisis in 2001/2 and how the AK party led the country through that. They trust Erdoğan to do it again and even if he doesn’t there hasn’t been a credible opposition here for a long time.

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    I don't think the issues you addressed were being argued, your response however really doesn't address the issues I laid out above though! Son in law still minister of finance, all going well there? El presidente still Islamist pushing a religious agenda which is not likely to improve, and there is still significant debate over the fairness or legitimacy of the referendum! For your information, in 2001, the akp simply followed the already agreed, and well laid plan from the exiting coalition government for financial recovery! But let's not allow the truth to get in the way of a good story! Turkish people still dealing with double digit inflation, compounded by the country's massive current account deficit, and exchange rate decline (a 40% loss in one day!) increasing prices further. An "example" of profiteering being a 4500% margin on on water pricing at marinas, shouldn't detract from the wider picture, which includes ordinary people being unable to buy food for their families.
    Even as little as 5 years ago this country held great promise and potential, the people were incredibly welcoming and tolerant, manufacturing and production were increasing in all areas, and prices were low and stable. The country is very much now polarised, with significant intolerant examples in behaviours and increasing aggressive displays, just this last week the American Embassy was shot at several times!
    These issues are troubling and should cause concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garold View Post
    In the event of a Brexit no-deal, I think the status of cruising in Turkey May become more important to British cruisers who are located in the eastern Med.

    In an ideal world, if we are restricted to 90 days in the EU, it would be handy to spend half the summer in Turkey and the other half in say Greece.

    But six months is a long time. By next Easter, we could have a leaving agreement with the EU that keeps some form of free movement, but also, Turkey could have lurched further to the right and become unstable.

    The quality of the cruising ground is the one thing that is unlikely to change.

    Garold
    Ever considered The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TNRC) as an alternative destination?

    The TNRC is outside the EU and independent from mainland Turkey. If Portugal became untenable post Brexit we have considered relocating.

    With all the debates over the Northern/Southern Border, interesting there is no problem passing through the TNRC/Southern Cyprus Border?

    We have been going to both the north and south for a number of years.

    Possibly this post should be in the post Brexit thread?
    Last edited by nortada; 23-08-18 at 22:03.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satsuma View Post
    I really don't understand where feelings come into it. I don't believe anything I have written here is incorrect. The new political system here in turkey allows the president to place unelected people in ministerial positions, to the point, his son in law is now the minister of finance and treasury!
    Yes quite, meanwhile Trump appointed his daughter as his envoy and senior advisor along with her husband, Trump's son-in-law

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    Quote Originally Posted by satsuma View Post
    I don't think the issues you addressed were being argued, your response however really doesn't address the issues I laid out above though! Son in law still minister of finance, all going well there? El presidente still Islamist pushing a religious agenda which is not likely to improve, and there is still significant debate over the fairness or legitimacy of the referendum! For your information, in 2001, the akp simply followed the already agreed, and well laid plan from the exiting coalition government for financial recovery! But let's not allow the truth to get in the way of a good story! Turkish people still dealing with double digit inflation, compounded by the country's massive current account deficit, and exchange rate decline (a 40% loss in one day!) increasing prices further. An "example" of profiteering being a 4500% margin on on water pricing at marinas, shouldn't detract from the wider picture, which includes ordinary people being unable to buy food for their families.
    Even as little as 5 years ago this country held great promise and potential, the people were incredibly welcoming and tolerant, manufacturing and production were increasing in all areas, and prices were low and stable. The country is very much now polarised, with significant intolerant examples in behaviours and increasing aggressive displays, just this last week the American Embassy was shot at several times!
    These issues are troubling and should cause concern.
    One would be a fool not to be concerned about the current situation in Turkey. One would be equally foolish to get involved in a debate with a clearly prejudiced commentator who spews out “alternative facts” without a scintilla of proof and who links the profit margin on water in a marina to the marital status of the Finance Minister. I’m a guest in this country and I’ll keep my opinions to myself. If you’re a Turk then stop bleating and do something to change the things you are unhappy with. That’s how politics works.

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    hi IR
    Hope you got a good cheap deal on your property (if you bought some) Must be thinking about buying more now that its even cheaper. Euros Rule eh!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dod View Post
    hi IR
    Hope you got a good cheap deal on your property (if you bought some) Must be thinking about buying more now that its even cheaper. Euros Rule eh!!!!
    Are you one of those lonely souls looking for a penpal? A quick search on Google brings up sites like penpalworld.com.

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