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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Milford Haven to Newport

    Good stuff

  2. #12
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    Default Re: Milford Haven to Newport

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy463 View Post
    Chill and do it in 2 days. Overnight in Oxwich if the wind is nominally westerly (avoid anchoring over the wreck), try not to have to go into Swansea - takes too much time and the Tawe barrage may be closed. If the tide turns by the time you get to Cardiff, you’ll never get home. If you manage to punch the tide with the engine, your mooring will be dry when you arrive in Newport. Good luck and enjoy.
    Thanks, it appears that doing it over 2 days is best

  3. #13
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    Default Re: Milford Haven to Newport

    Quote Originally Posted by bitbaltic View Post
    Iíve only done it the other way (and starting at Cardiff) but did it in one hit on neap tides through the night taking 14 hours. Iíve come up Channel from Swansea several times.

    On the rhumb line the furthest offshore you will be is crossing Carmarthen Bay, and this is also where the tides are weakest along the Welsh coast. So (off the top of my head) I would look to carry the last of the flood past the tidal gate at Tenby/Caldey. This is probably 3 hours from Milford at 6kn; I would plan to leave the heads (St Anneís point) at half tide on the flood. It is straightforward to motor from Milford Marina to St Anneís against the flood even on springs, or you could start from Daleís floating pontoon depending on what suits.

    As said the ranges can be an issue; firing times are online and night firing is less often so going at night can be a good plan.

    Reaching Caldey at high water It will take most of the ebb to cross Carmarthen Bay at 6kn but if you arrive early and are headed at Gower then itís simply a case of keeping going until the tide turns. Do not go inside the Mixon shoals at Gower near LW, the passage is narrow and latest NTM place a new (old) wreck in the channel. Carrying the flood at 6kn boat speed it is 5-6 hours from Swansea Bay to Cardiff. In fair weather, pass inside the Hugo Bank, fairy/Tusker rocks and take the Nash Passage. This gives a strong inshore tide lift. Going east through Nash you run down a narrowing channel between the coast and the sandbanks so be sure the weather is fair because you cannot turn around although the rising tide limits the dangers.

    Navigate as close to the Aberthaw Caisson as you dare- it is deep water and you will get a strong lift here on the flood taking you past Barry. (There is an inshore eddy at Barry on the ebb but not on the flood). You should arrive at Lavernock Point before HW and before the tide turns. This is a tidal gate and you may struggle if you arrive late; you can pick up a buoy or anchor in the fairway at Barry in that case.

    At that point you will have been at sea for 14-15 hours and Cardiff is at hand with plenty of water to get in. It is likely to be slow going to Newport from there, not impossible but I would suggest pulling into Cardiff (many options) and waiting out the ebb and first half of the flood. Leave Cardiff 9 hours later at half tide and carry the flood to Newport arriving at high water about 2 hours later.

    Basically, if you can do 6kn STW then there is no need to stop in Swansea Bay either at Mumbles or Oxwich. Swansea marina is an hour off the rhumb line so donít plan to split it, get to Cardiff and complete the journey on the next flood.

    Milford to Cardiff is about 90Nm on the rhumb.

    Hope this helps.
    Thank you, it helps a lot

  4. #14
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    Default Re: Milford Haven to Newport

    Last time I did the trip it was on a saturday so no problem with the ranges, i would leave milford early morning and overnight at oxwich bay, leave three hours before low water punch time across swansea bay, take the nash passage will get you to newport around high water.

  5. #15
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    Default Re: Milford Haven to Newport

    As others said, do check in with the firing ranges. In particular Pendine. We went through without calling in. Our Navionics said they only operated with clear sight and that marine traffic had right of way. The chap in the rib that intercepted us though and escorted out said the chart was wrong, and that we should have gone completely outside of it.

    I realise I should have called in, best to be safe. But to tell us that we should go around really bothered me... We're a 21 foot mobo. I don't wanna be 10 miles offshore!

    In the end he said we should be ok in future calling in and sticking South of DZ2 and DZ6 markers, which is 5 miles offshore.

  6. #16
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    Default Re: Milford Haven to Newport

    Quote Originally Posted by vodzurk View Post
    As others said, do check in with the firing ranges. In particular Pendine. We went through without calling in. Our Navionics said they only operated with clear sight and that marine traffic had right of way. The chap in the rib that intercepted us though and escorted out said the chart was wrong, and that we should have gone completely outside of it.

    I realise I should have called in, best to be safe. But to tell us that we should go around really bothered me... We're a 21 foot mobo. I don't wanna be 10 miles offshore!

    In the end he said we should be ok in future calling in and sticking South of DZ2 and DZ6 markers, which is 5 miles offshore.
    Was once advised by the rya barrister, that you can still go across, advising any guard boat, that you are "exercising your right to innocent passage".

  7. #17
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    Default Re: Milford Haven to Newport

    Quote Originally Posted by alant View Post
    Was once advised by the rya barrister, that you can still go across, advising any guard boat, that you are "exercising your right to innocent passage".
    Which is what Iíd happily do if I needed to go through the ranges when firing. Couldnít care less about their boys toys.

  8. #18
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    Default Re: Milford Haven to Newport

    Quote Originally Posted by vodzurk View Post
    As others said, do check in with the firing ranges. In particular Pendine. We went through without calling in. Our Navionics said they only operated with clear sight and that marine traffic had right of way. The chap in the rib that intercepted us though and escorted out said the chart was wrong, and that we should have gone completely outside of it.

    I realise I should have called in, best to be safe. But to tell us that we should go around really bothered me... We're a 21 foot mobo. I don't wanna be 10 miles offshore! In the end he said we should be ok in future calling in and sticking South of DZ2 and DZ6 markers, which is 5 miles offshore.
    The Warden slightly lied to you. (How unusual for the MOD). Legally para 3 of section 9 of the Castlemartin Range bylaws says you can go through the firing area at anytime but not fish there. I think I wouldn't want to go through when they are firing, and they wont be pleased to stop, so calling in and South of DZ2 and DZ6 is good but they cannot expect you to put yourself in sea danger so must accommodate as required. You are doing well in such making passages - keep it up
    A boat is for going places

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