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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    Quote Originally Posted by thesaintlyone View Post
    Guys I am listening to your arguments but they are based on one glaring thing which is Resale. I didn't buy this boat to sell it a d I didn't buy this boat to make a profit I bought it to stay on it use it at the weekends on the river Medway as far as the Thames estuary and enjoy it if I sell it later in life then so be it but please stop suggesting that the worse reason for doing something is resale value
    Okay, let's remove the word "resale" and "profit" from the above paragraph.
    Even then, you're left with "value", which still stands, I think.

    e.g. What's the value of a boat that needs 15k worth of engines and can be bought with engines for 20k?
    It's not all about the numbers, I agree, but it does help to be realistic about where the money is actually going when you are weighing up the options.

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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerPower View Post
    Okay, let's remove the word "resale" and "profit" from the above paragraph.
    Even then, you're left with "value", which still stands, I think.

    e.g. What's the value of a boat that needs 15k worth of engines and can be bought with engines for < 20k?
    It's not all about the numbers, I agree, but it does help to be realistic about where the money is actually going.
    I concur, yet I have undertaken many car and bike restorations as a hobby and pastime before and I never ever managed to sell them on for half of what I put into them. Not every undertaking has to be a business model, there are many motives and driving forces other than financial that drives us to do the things we do.

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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    OKi when I said that option one was not financially viable is because I figured that it was something that had to be outlayed in one go rather than say the individual jobs associated with the other two options for example for the single inboard there was the individual mods work and then the engine itself.

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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    I think you are now facing the dilemma that the former owner of your boat faced .............and he gave up and sold it to you, even with a good amount of DIY skills you are facing a task that will require a considerable outlay of time and cash. Have you thoroughly looked over your core boat is it in good shape? Here is a surveyers report on a similar boat:
    http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatrevie...dancer_290.htm

    He points out a few things you should look at. Having removed the engines the previous owner stopped work....... there will be reasons for this and you should try and work out what those reasons were???

    In a job like this its the little things and what you uncover as you delve into the work that will chip away at your budget and patience. As well as those things that could be overlooked, For example craning in one or two engines and out, when trial fitting at a boat yard is going to cost also lifting and fitting/overhauling secondhand drives drives is probably going to cost, factor in things like new filtration extra fuel lines, engine wiring, engine controls.

    Given your situation I would start building a spreadsheet of the estimates of both time and money for each option and a required cash flow this will point to an affordable option. where you are estimating times i would double each estimate because things always take longer than you expect.

    Its unlikely that your existing drives would be any good for a single installation of 300hp so there is another on cost of buying fitting a drive then filling in your transom holes and cutting a new.

    Then look at the running costs for each engine option........... anything petrol is going to be expensive to run and obtaining petrol in quantity maybe a wind up because of the lack of suppliers on the river and the rules of filling cans at filling stations, fuel consumption data is available on line, even at a modest cruising speed a 7.4 petrol is going to be 60 -70 hour - A 300hp diesel might be half that but more expensive to buy in the first place.

    Remembering that this project is going to require cash and stamina to get to your end point - what starts out as an interesting project can soon become overwhelming and abandoned........ so you have to be questioning yourself before committing, remembering that if your on a limited budget you won't be able to throw cash at this to make the hard problems go away.

    It may be that you are going to conclude it will be easier and cheaper to buy a boat that's a going concern!!!

    I posed a similar question recently for my Triana , which is over twice as old as the Searay, the forum responses basically concluded that I would never get my money / investment back. Like you, I said this was a labour of love, not for profit but I concluded in the end it was probably best to stay with what I have 2 off 150hp petrols from 1986.
    Last edited by Freebee; 12-10-18 at 14:03.

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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    'Guys I am listening to your arguments but they are based on one glaring thing which is Resale. I didn't buy this boat to sell it a d I didn't buy this boat to make a profit I bought it to stay on it use it at the weekends on the river Medway as far as the Thames estuary and enjoy it if I sell it later in life then so be it but please stop suggesting that the worse reason for doing something is resale value'

    fit one outboard and it will go up and down the river just fine.

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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    Quote Originally Posted by thesaintlyone View Post
    There just does not seem to be a set available and I've been quoted 15000 for replacing two engines and drives and that's used
    But you don't need two engines and lots of power to go up and down a river.

    One smaller outboard on the back should do it - as it will weigh a lot less than your original engines and drives you might not even need to put in too much ballast elsewhere to balance it up.

    And if you really want a backup motor - an even smaller outboard on a folding bracket will do the trick.

    At this kind of price and age, as long as it all works, someone will buy it from you in the future so you don't even stand to lose a huge amount of money if you ever want to sell it on.

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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    That is something I've considered using a Panther Marine Swim platform bracket as a temporary solution.

    The above points are some of the main concerns that made me look at an outboard conversion. I know it's not the done thing and it will affect resale but I really don't care about resale. I'm in touch with a professional that does these Conversions and really knows his stuff. And the plans we are discussing are sounding great.

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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    Big thread here on a US website https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating...-tropez-5.html
    Seems to be popular in the US. I was in Fort Lauderdale two years ago and saw a few older boats converted with big outboards.
    It would be worth examining the practicalities around transporting fuel to your boat. Some marinas have rules about he handling of fuel. You would need to be on a marina with decent access to your car and you would probably need a suitable trailer to transport the fuel tanks or a specialist fuel bowser.
    There was a very enterprising petrol station in Cork Harbour situated beside an old stone pier. The owner bought a bowser and you could ring him up and get a delivery to the pier. It was very popular with big ribs and petrol sports cruisers in the area.

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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    Quote Originally Posted by thesaintlyone View Post
    That is something I've considered using a Panther Marine Swim platform bracket as a temporary solution.

    The above points are some of the main concerns that made me look at an outboard conversion. I know it's not the done thing and it will affect resale but I really don't care about resale. I'm in touch with a professional that does these Conversions and really knows his stuff. And the plans we are discussing are sounding great.
    I presume your chosen cruising area is tidal, you will have consider how much power you need to push against the tide and keep moving forward? its a question I cant answer but somebody hereabouts must know??

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    Default Re: Sea Ray Sundancer 290 Re-Power Options

    To be honest it's the river Medway boat will be based at Wateringbury where the limit is 10mph and its non tidal and occasionally popping up to the Thames estuary areas with trips along the Thames. So not really needing massive power

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