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  1. #1
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    Default Molesey Lock Closure

    I was taken by surprise to find out that, according to the gov.uk EA website, Molesey Lock is to close from this weekend for 4 months and that Teddington is closing until March (though I presume that is just ones side).

    I would have thought that some notification on the lock itself would be appropriate to save people getting caught in the wrong place. Or is there a presumption that everyone regularly reads the EA government website. Or have I missed prominent notices elsewhere?

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    Default Re: Molesey Lock Closure

    Even though the work is necessary and the EA are quite rightly investing in the infrastructure, a notice would result in many boaters quite rightly moaning to the staff about the ridiculous amount of time the lock will be closed for.

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    Default Re: Molesey Lock Closure

    Rightly or wrongly methinks EA imagine that few boats will move out of season and there will be even fewer visitors.
    There are notices (or used to be) posted in each lock office - but not a lot of use if tha's in Yorkshire.

    If I go cruising out of season off the Thames I ALWAYS check the relevant navigation authority's website - seems the sensible thing to do??

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    Default Re: Molesey Lock Closure

    The EA emails notices on a regular basis to anyone who is interested. Without searching through them, I believe that information on these closures went out to everyone some time ago.
    "It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness."

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    Default Re: Molesey Lock Closure

    The EA have just announced that the Molesey Lock closure will be extended to 1 March 2019 from the earlier date of 31 January. Dovetailing with works to the Sunbury Dry Dock is being cited as the reason.

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    Default Re: Molesey Lock Closure

    FFS, how can they take so bloody long? That's £250 of licence fee when I can't use the non tidal (yes I know it's a tax to float and not a licence to cruise)
    Marooned of Teddington
    Last edited by Actionmat; 03-12-18 at 21:15.

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    Default Re: Molesey Lock Closure

    Quote Originally Posted by Actionmat View Post
    Company not prepared to remove the lower gates while the waiting area is occupied by 2 Slumboats and assorted hangers on for safety reasons.
    FFS. Can we not lend a hand?!? It's already a month behind, so they best get on with it, otherwise it will be May or June if we have to wait for the numpties to f-off.

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    Default Re: Molesey Lock Closure

    The date is March 1st, so they're probably on target depending on the Trotman situation.
    I went from Teddington to Hampton Court and back today. I'm sure there are plenty of boat owners who have yet to stick their new licence on, but I was the only boat I saw with a blue one.
    Auld Loompaland

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    Default Re: Molesey Lock Closure

    Hopefully they can resolve the issue soon. You're a saint for getting your licence in place already, I've still got ours on the desk to check through, plus the dinghies... Thanks for the reminder!

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    Default Re: Molesey Lock Closure

    I am concerned that every time I come back to the area, Trotmans vessels seem to have multiplied. They are still on sale for accomodation on Bookings.com and non of the authorities contacted have been particularly forthcoming with information about any action against him.. I did find an old post on Friends of Hurst Park website. Its quite interesting nevertheless for anyone interested in the matter. It seems there is money to be made as the fines are so low and there is so much grey (& black waste!) areas here that he can continue to run rings round everyone and carry on regardless.

    January 2017
    The "slumboat", an unauthorised vessel let out as lodgings, is currently moored on the concrete platform at the foot of Hampton Court Bridge, immediately downstream of the bridge and opposite the Tudor West Face of the Palace. This is Surrey property, being part of the bridge and highway.

    16 December 2016 - This boat is currently moored on Cigarette Island Park, opposite Hampton Court and property of Elmbridge Council which is actively seeking to have it removed.

    A landmark judgement at Kingston County Court in November 2016 confirmed that the navigation licence fee payable by boat owners relates only to the right to pass along the River Thames, including anchoring or mooring for a reasonable time to facilitate passage (normally 24 hours in passing). It gives no right to long term or permanent mooring - a decision that should strengthen the hand of the Environment Agency in tackling unauthorised residential boats.

    The vessel in Molesey Lock Cut

    Two cases of trespass were brought by the Environment Agency against Alastair Trotman, owner of the so-called "Slumboat", until recently moored by Molesey Lock, and three other boats illegally moored upstream of Teddington Lock. In both cases the court granted possession orders to the Environment Agency as owner of the sites in question. This means that Mr Trotman is obliged to move the vessels immediately.

    In the case of "Slumboat", this is a barge with no engine and the judge ruled that, for reasons of safety, officers of the EA escort the defendant while it is removed, given the complexities of tides and currents. The logistics will be negotiated between the EA and Mr Trotman.

    The original "Slumboat" summons related to trespass on land alongside houses in Hampton Court Crescent and the adjacent Octagon head office. Having been issued with the summons Mr Trotman pulled "Slumboat" downstream on 3 November and through the lock to a new position. Last weekend he manhandled his supply vessels through the lock also. In court the EA pointed out that this was a move of only some 100 metres and the judge allowed the reference on the possession notice to be altered to the present location.

    Mr Trotman's main defence was that the EA is not a freeholder and therefore cannot bring a case of trespass. He argued that public bodies do not have access to common law and only have the statutory powers they are given by the state. This was dismissed by the judge who said that Land Registry documents showed the EA to have title absolute over the lands in question with the same rights of protection from trespass as any other landowner.

    The defendant also argued that to bring a case of trespass the EA must show that it required the land back "for its exclusive possession" but again the judge ruled this irrelevant. She also dismissed the argument that the navigation licence conferred a long-term right to moor.

    Mr Trotman asked for leave to appeal the County Court's judgement but this was refused. He was ordered to pay court costs for each case, amounting to £710 in all, to be paid by 29 November.
    Note prepared by Tony Wilson, Hampton Court Crescent.
    8 November 2016

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