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    Right...,

    This thread went much further than I anticipated it will . It pointed me to a more recent reference on RYA pages so I am not in doubt anymore. I am Polish by the way. As for the Germans, back in the day in communist occupied Poland I was learning year after year about war atrocities, bad Germans and good Soviets, but fortunately came to understanding that almost none of the Germans I've ever met or will meet had anything to do with what happened.
    Anyway, the whole thread makes for a very interesting read. Thank you.

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    I suggest you try a question on anchors for your next post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by awol View Post
    I suggest you try a question on anchors for your next post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikor View Post
    Right...,

    This thread went much further than I anticipated it will . It pointed me to a more recent reference on RYA pages so I am not in doubt anymore. I am Polish by the way. As for the Germans, back in the day in communist occupied Poland I was learning year after year about war atrocities, bad Germans and good Soviets, but fortunately came to understanding that almost none of the Germans I've ever met or will meet had anything to do with what happened.
    Anyway, the whole thread makes for a very interesting read. Thank you.
    Thank you for your reasoned response. My son-in-law is from Bavaria and has wistfully commented that it must be nice to be British and have a history of which we can be proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolution View Post
    Thank you for your reasoned response. My son-in-law is from Bavaria and has wistfully commented that it must be nice to be British and have a history of which we can be proud.
    Many countries have had empires, wars and derstruction from the Mongoliains, to the Turks , the Greeks the Arabs, the French had Napoelan , who was no saint, we need to learn from each war and move on the Great war is now starting to wane and is now in our memories and eventually the second war will move on and hopefully we can all regret but not be ashamed of our past country men, my Grandfather , was taken when the Germans invaded Poland and recruited into the SS captured at Arhem sent to POW camp in Scotland here he met my Italian grandmother evacuated from Casino in Italy as the allies were bogged down , and was given a Polish uniform and sent back to fight the Germans , he had never really talked about it but was glad he had my mother and aunt so they would never go to war. ( he never blamed anyone nor spoke ill of any nation a true gent.)
    So yes ty OP it is time to grieve in silence and let the past be more reflective that acussing
    Last edited by moomba; 29-10-18 at 13:51. Reason: spelling. editing
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    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    Poor old Singapore had a pretty rough time at the start of WW2, kept under military subjugation by an occupying force interested only in its strategic possibilities and treating the local population with violence and contempt. Then the Japanese invaded.
    Taking some liberties with the history of Singapore there. It was set up by a Scot of course, always the attack dogs of the empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moomba View Post
    Many countries have had empires, wars and derstruction from the Mongoliains, to the Turks , the Greeks the Arabs, the French had Napoelan , who was no saint, we need to learn from each war and move on the Great war is now starting to wane and is now in our memories and eventually the second war will move on and hopefully we can all regret but not be ashamed of our past country men, my Grandfather , was taken when the Germans invaded Poland and recruited into the SS captured at Arhem sent to POW camp in Scotland here he met my Italian grandmother evacuated from Casino in Italy as the allies were bogged down , and was given a Polish uniform and sent back to fight the Germans , he had never really talked about it but was glad he had my mother and aunt so they would never go to war. ( he never blamed anyone nor spoke ill of any nation a true gent.)
    So yes ty OP it is time to grieve in silence and let the past be more reflective that acussing
    The German question remains difficult even now. There are plenty of British fossils who continue to harbour a grudge without any personal history to base it on, which might be understandable. East Germans were in a strange position, having been brought up with the communist anti-fascist message but having to square the is with the fact that they belonged to the country in question, which had itself become totalitarian.

    Even those Germans from the GDR had to have mixed feelings. We spent several happy days doing a regatta, in Neustadt, and made good friends with our colleagues. At the end, one of the chaps that we hadn't seen much of asked us why we were sailing in Germany. When we replied that we sailed there because we enjoyed the place and the people he was almost in tears, having had the impression that he was still living in a pariah state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Bumbulum View Post
    Now't to do with waships I'm afraid.
    You're saluting the ensign, not the vessel or service which in theorey at least means you should salute a RYS yacht if she is wearing the white!
    Utter, utter rubbish.

    I can only assume that in your ignorance you have confused salutes and commissions with dipping and ensigns. You might also want to do some basic resaerch on the history and relative seniority of UK 'coloured' ensigns.

    The back story on dipping to the RN is also relativly easy to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Bumbulum View Post
    Why not a Sainsbury or Morrison's flag?
    It's just as relevant to boating and has as much to do with an "ensign" as the diagram you posted.
    Indeed, why not just use a dirty pillowcase if that's all the respect you have for your country?
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