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  1. #81
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    Default Re: Classic GRP Yachts; this is mine, where is yours?

    Quite right. Tinker Liz, sail No 17 out of about 200, lives on, still in excellent shape and giving her present owner as much fun as she gave Des! We (Trident Owners Association), know of around 150 of these fine little boats still in commission or being restored. But if value is a definition of 'classic' then they are not classics, as a good one changes hands around 3.5k - 5k, while one needing TLC can be picked up off ebay for next to nothing. A near derelict one changed hands for just 50p a few years back! We owners would say otherwise: classic in appearance and handling - and what else matters?

    The late Mark Solentclown's last sea trip was delivering his Trident Bambola to it's new owner in Newhaven just a week before he died - a trip he said took him "well outside my comfort zone!" He was going to write it up for our Newsletter.

    More on Tridents here: https://trident24.com
    Last edited by oldharry; 04-11-18 at 23:10.
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  2. #82
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    Default Re: Classic GRP Yachts; this is mine, where is yours?

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    Default Re: Classic GRP Yachts; this is mine, where is yours?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Turgidson View Post
    Have to be honest. I think all his most beautiful designs were from the wooden era. If you fast forward 10 or 20 years in the same length he drew the leisure 26 and oyster 26 neither of which catch the eye. Whereas in wood he drew yachts like this: http://www.sandemanyachtcompany.co.uk/yacht/373/MABEL

    Give me her over all the oysters he had a hand in any day.
    I was thinking more of boats like the UFO which could not be more different from your twister.

    There is an interplay in this period between the development of racing rules, particularly IOR and methods of construction. GRP allowed designers the scope to use different shapes and treat keels and rudders as foils in a way that was simply not practical with traditional wood.

    Remember the GRP built wooden designs lasted barely more than 10 years as a major force in the market because designers, builders and buyers quickly saw the advantages of GRP and while some elegance was lost in the process there are many well proportioned, good looking designs that owe little to their wooden forebears.

  4. #84
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    Default Re: Classic GRP Yachts; this is mine, where is yours?

    Tranona writes:

    “There is an interplay in this period between the development of racing rules, particularly IOR and methods of construction. GRP allowed designers the scope to use different shapes and treat keels and rudders as foils in a way that was simply not practical with traditional wood.”

    I respectfully beg to differ:


    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    There is nothing new about deep short fin keels, shallow canoe bodies and separate deep rudders with no skeg:





    BONA FIDE, Charles Sibbick, 1899, now owned I think by Doug Peterson.

    Conventional plank on frame construction “but carefully”!
    Last edited by Minn; 05-11-18 at 00:53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poignard View Post
    I'd go further and say that Bermudan rig is basically a "fail" when it comes to elegance. And not the best sail for the many modern yachtsmen who don't like sailing to windward and prefer to put the engine on.

    Conor O'Brien concluded that for many yachtsmen, the best rig would be a square sail capable of being handled from the deck, with a powerful engine for going to windward and entering/leaving harbour.
    In that case he seems to have been describing the modern junk rigger.
    As Joshua slocum said, the most convenient rig he had encountered.

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    Default Re: Classic GRP Yachts; this is mine, where is yours?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Wilson View Post
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    This was mine,
    Javlin30,
    in the summer in front of the house with Gruinard Beach behind.
    Sadly Khamsin is now ashore in Ullapool until April 2109.
    All our boats are special to each of us, but I consider myself to be more fortunate than others
    A 90 year layup is a bit extreme! :-)

  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by chewi View Post
    A 90 year layup is a bit extreme! :-)
    OHHHH GAWD !!!



    A virtual bottle of bubbly to the bright-eyed one!
    Last edited by Robert Wilson; 05-11-18 at 08:46.
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    Default Re: Classic GRP Yachts; this is mine, where is yours?

    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    Tranona writes:

    “There is an interplay in this period between the development of racing rules, particularly IOR and methods of construction. GRP allowed designers the scope to use different shapes and treat keels and rudders as foils in a way that was simply not practical with traditional wood.”

    I respectfully beg to differ:
    You can always find exception. However the 1899 "experiment" was no more than that. It failed to catch on. The flat bottomed boats built out of traditional wood were ephemeral - never intended, or capable of lasting more than a couple of years, nor for the sort of use we would expect from a boat these days.

    You can't get away from the fact that in the 1960s almost all cruising boats (and racing) being built were traditional long keel using wood as the primary construction material. By the 1980s almost none of that type were being built, although a few lingered on using GRP hulls.

    It may also be the case that a large proportion of boats built in the 50s and 60s are now no longer with us because of the inability of the materials to cope with neglect.

    I write as an owner of a boat from that period that is still usable, but not used because of the superior nature of modern GRP boats. Not so nice to look at maybe but much more practical.

    Guess those that own GRP copies of older designs have got the best of both worlds except they forgo the benefits of designs that use GRPfor more than just reducing maintenance and improving durability.

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    Default Re: Classic GRP Yachts; this is mine, where is yours?

    Unless I missed it.... there is not one mention of a Co32.... amazing on a thread of this length

    I am voting for the Rival 34 (with a bias ;-))

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    Default Re: Classic GRP Yachts; this is mine, where is yours?

    Yes the Co32 is a fine boat, I always admired them in my Cornwall days in the 70s & 80s
    In fact there is one just up the Bay from my mooring. Same colour, virtually the same shape and goes out in similar conditions to those in which I do.

    So, many folk think mine is a Co32 and his is a Javelin30.
    Lucky him to be thought of that way...………
    Kay Sarah Sarah
    5751.42' N 529.44' W

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