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  1. #171
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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Reading this thread got my nostalgia buds working. For much of my working life I had company cars and at each change there was usually a new innovation which we thought would improve our lives, e.g.
    A heater that actually worked. [Mk 1 Escort, previous car was a Midget.]
    Heated rear screen, no more ice scraping.
    A built in radio, such luxury.
    Radial tyres. Now that was an improvement.
    Fabric seats, remember cold vinyl on frosty mornings.
    Synchromesh on all 4 gears
    Door mirrors you could twiddle from inside.
    Sun roofs.
    5 gears, that's just showing off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by halcyon View Post
    Where do you find this garbage ?

    Triumph used Fisher & Ludlow for bodies, BMC took the over, so all detail of the Herald and production plans would have been passed on to BMC. Using a chassis allowed smaller body builders to be used.

    A press to make MGB wings was a small press in those days. At Rubery Owen our big press was 5000 ton with a bed 45 foot long by 10 foot wide'

    Triumph factory if you are really interested




    Brian
    Not garbage at all as JD explains. Triumph used a chassis because they did not have the capability to make a unitary body - for whatever political reason.

    Press required for a one piece wing was indeed not a big one, but that does not change the fact that MG did not have one of its own and could not access one elsewhere - so wings were made in two parts

    Suggest you take off your rose tinted specs. 1950-1970's was a nightmare in the British owned bit of the motor industry owing to a combination of poor investment, bad management, recalcitrant workforce, flawed design (although often based on good ideas) and complete ignorance of buyers' expectations. Everything was a struggle which was undertaken because demand generally exceeded supply.

    All changed when markets were opened to competition and other manufacturers started to offer cars that were well built, well priced and met customers' expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halcyon View Post
    Standard 8 was launched in 1953, BMC took over Fisher Ludlow in 1953, so little option. Also the BMC chairman Leonard Lord advised the Standard boss that when existing contracts had expired, Fisher & Ludlow would no longer supply Standard-Triumph with car bodies. Rival, Pressed Steel, was then approached, but its order books were full.
    Thanks. I'm 100 miles away from the book, but I had a feeling Pressed Steel was in there too.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Quote Originally Posted by halcyon View Post
    Did not see that when we visited the factory, did you watch the video ?
    Try this one, from about 1:50 onwards.


    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by penberth3 View Post
    I thought 1300, Toledo and Dolomite were all the same body? Dolomite had a bigger engine, but basically the same car.
    They kept renaming things, but I think the 1300/Toledo was placed a bit lower down the luxury scale than Dolomites. I confess it's not a side of Triumph which I know much about, though, so correction happily accepted.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    Try this one, from about 1:50 onwards.
    That is the body storage area, the control system moved them around storage on a grid to feed the required color/trim option to the track. Triumph built the bodies, then added engine/suspension/transmission to body, after checking they went to a rectification area to the front left of test area to have faults corrected.

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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tranona View Post
    Press required for a one piece wing was indeed not a big one, but that does not change the fact that MG did not have one of its own and could not access one elsewhere - so wings were made in two parts
    The wing was a welded assembly from many parts, manufacturing requirement, not lack of press, see video



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranona View Post
    Not garbage at all as JD explains. Triumph used a chassis because they did not have the capability to make a unitary body - for whatever political reason.


    .
    Triumph like many car firms did not make their own bodies, allowing them to use a firm that did not have unitary body building ability. To get round it long term they built a new body plant, thanks to the Government at at Speke, then the most advanced in Europe. see history, sort of reminds me of each side in Bexit story.



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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    What an excellent thread - getting lots of trivia which might come in handy at the weekly car quiz night...

    Quote Originally Posted by elton View Post
    The 2.8i Capri was undoubtedly quick, but handling was sadly lacking.
    I can't really agree with that. I had one on loan for a few months, and it was the most driftable car I'd ever had a shot in. Driving to a dreary job on a damp day was something to look forward to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sans Bateau View Post
    That quite right, but just about everything as has been discussed, but quite unrationally, the stigma remained with Alfa Romeo.
    Unfortunately, it's deserved again. On the 159/Brera the undertray saving me tenths of a mile per gallon ingeniously holds water against the 'powder coated' front subframe and blocks its drainholes. That wouldn't be so terrible if the coating made it inside the frame. It doesn't - it's raw steel. I have a new one on its way from Italy as we speak. 1,100.

    Not a speck anywhere on the body though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranona View Post
    Not garbage at all as JD explains. Triumph used a chassis because they did not have the capability to make a unitary body - for whatever political reason.

    Press required for a one piece wing was indeed not a big one, but that does not change the fact that MG did not have one of its own and could not access one elsewhere - so wings were made in two parts

    Suggest you take off your rose tinted specs. 1950-1970's was a nightmare in the British owned bit of the motor industry owing to a combination of poor investment, bad management, recalcitrant workforce, flawed design (although often based on good ideas) and complete ignorance of buyers' expectations. Everything was a struggle which was undertaken because demand generally exceeded supply.

    All changed when markets were opened to competition and other manufacturers started to offer cars that were well built, well priced and met customers' expectations.
    Couple of points,
    Investment BMC CAB2 Longridge and Bathgate today's money 2/3 billion, Speke plant Triumph, Hillman Imp plant Linwood, Ford plant Halewood, BL Metro plant, yes we invested.

    Bad management, agree more in later period.

    Recalcitrant workforce, definitely .... NO

    Flawed design (although often based on good ideas) yes but maybe not the same reason.

    Complete ignorance of buyers' expectations, only people from generation can answer, I would say most were happy with cars.

    Everything was a struggle which was undertaken because demand generally exceeded supply. ... you must include Government intervention and forced export, 70% purchase tax on new cars to encourage export, machine tool was a forced export item so slowed home market expansion.

    All changed when markets were opened to competition and other manufacturers started to offer cars that were well built, well priced and met customers' expectations ..... what was on sale in 1970, Alfa Remeo ( cost ) Auto Union Audi 100, re-badged DKW , BMW 1600, Citroen Ami 8, Dyane 6. DAF. Datsun 1000, Fiat 500, 600. Honda N360, N600. Lancia. Mazda. Merc. Moskvich. NSU Prinz. Peugeot 204, 304. Renault 4, 6, 8. Saab 96, 99. Simca 1000. Skoda 100. Toyota Corolla. VW Beetle. Volvo. Wartburg. is that a greater choice ?.

    You miss of the Union's fro your list of problems, or do you not see the as a negative impact ?

    Read that when we first applied to join EEC we were a serious manufacturing threat to Germany and France, car manufacture, capacity for 3 million units a year.

    BMC opened production plants in Europe to get round EEC import duty and regs till we joined.

    BL were the first company to talk to the Chinese ref the Chinese market.

    UK training and education are critical area's we ignore and the changes in the 60's and 70's on.

    Marketing / propaganda we have terrible trouble seeing or applying.

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