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  1. #101
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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    Thames Valley Police used to have an unmarked white Capri 2.8i with which they would go out hunting boy racers.
    The 2.8i Capri was undoubtedly quick, but handling was sadly lacking. There's an ancient oak tree just outside town, which still bears the scars of impact from a 2.8i, which slid off the road on a bend twenty years ago, and was destroyed, killing the two occupants instantly. It was allegedly racing an Escort Mexico, which was never identified.

  2. #102
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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tranona View Post
    Yes, amazing how gullible some people were in those days, wedded as they were to a belief that "British was best". BMC did not learn anything as subsequent cars were even worse when compared with the competition, particularly the Japanese cars then entering the market.

    We all know how it ended up.
    Think that should be the other way round, in the 1960 BMC paint spec is similar to current, bar the lacquer coats were not there, even RO chassis were primed with electrostatic phosphate coat x 2 before top coating.

    A lot of negative marketing from Europe, how did the Japs go from 300cc air cooled to state of the art over night ? I even went to look at buying a early Jap car, could not even get in it, they were rubbish till the Honda aerodeck came in.

    Read Wiki for BMC research

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presse...nd_Development

    Brian
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  3. #103
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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    The 2CV was almost unbeatable on twisty country roads, because although it didn't go particularly fast (top speed about 85mph) they cling to the road so tight that you basically never need to slow down. Using the brakes is seen as a bit of a faux pas in 2CV-owning circles. Golly, I'd like to get another one.
    Saw a 2CV at the Shere hill climb in the summer, similar but not the one in the youtube clip, thats at Shelsley Walsh, but hell it was entertaining!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1E3uVNbAas
    'The will of the people' = The will of a few fanatics who have duped the unsuspecting.

  4. #104
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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by halcyon View Post
    Think that should be the other way round, in the 1960 BMC paint spec is similar to current, bar the lacquer coats were not there, even RO chassis were primed with electrostatic phosphate coat x 2 before top coating.

    A lot of negative marketing from Europe, how did the Japs go from 300cc air cooled to state of the art over night ? I even went to look at buying a early Jap car, could not even get in it, they were rubbish till the Honda aerodeck came in.

    Read Wiki for BMC research

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presse...nd_Development

    Brian
    Not sure what point you are trying to make. Does not matter what the paint was or whether there were individual elements of BMC that were good - the cars were still rubbish. Great ideas poorly executed for all sorts or reasons - lack of investment, internal politics antiquated production systems, unreliable workforce, lack of management etc. What might have been acceptable in the early 60s when there was no real competition changed as everybody else improved and BMC went backwards. More important consumers expectations changed as they were offered different choices and voted with their money.

  5. #105
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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tranona View Post
    Not sure what point you are trying to make. Does not matter what the paint was or whether there were individual elements of BMC that were good - the cars were still rubbish. Great ideas poorly executed for all sorts or reasons - lack of investment, internal politics antiquated production systems, unreliable workforce, lack of management etc. What might have been acceptable in the early 60s when there was no real competition changed as everybody else improved and BMC went backwards. More important consumers expectations changed as they were offered different choices and voted with their money.
    Sadly true. The A series engine introduced in the 50's still being fitted to cars in the 80's. A good engine it may have been , but not that good.
    'The will of the people' = The will of a few fanatics who have duped the unsuspecting.

  6. #106
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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tranona View Post
    Yes, amazing how gullible some people were in those days, wedded as they were to a belief that "British was best".
    The delusion extended well beyond the British motor industry ...

    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

  7. #107
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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Early eighties a pal had an old Mk2 Cortina with a 3 litre V6 squeezed under the bonnet. Bloody fast in a straight line but I wonder how we kept a driving licence after spectating on the Scottish Rally, dodged several speed traps on the old A9!

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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tranona View Post
    Not sure what point you are trying to make. Does not matter what the paint was or whether there were individual elements of BMC that were good - the cars were still rubbish.
    The paint was pretty rubbish too, but of course habits like leaving unpainted bodysheels out in the open overnight - or over the weekend - at Cowley didn't help. When I bought my Herald in 1985 she was 16 years old and had rust everywhere. When I scrapped my Golf estate last year it was twenty years old and had one small (6mm) patch of rust in the middle of the driver's door.

    Mind you, if you had shelled out an extra 1,000 to buy a DS convertible in the sixties or seventies you would have found out - rapidly - that Chapron gave them no rust protection whatsoever. The insides of the wings, door and so on were bare, unpainted steel. They lasted OK in California and the South of France, but generally had terminal penetrative rust within a year if used in rain.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthUp View Post
    Early eighties a pal had an old Mk2 Cortina with a 3 litre V6 squeezed under the bonnet. Bloody fast in a straight line but I wonder how we kept a driving licence after spectating on the Scottish Rally, dodged several speed traps on the old A9!
    I friend of mine had a Rover V8 in a Daf 55 body, which he used to hunt Spitfires and MGBs.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

  10. #110
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    Default Re: Anyone drive a MK2 Cortina?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    The delusion extended well beyond the British motor industry ...

    Yes, they were products of their times. Just like Brian's reference to BMC's superior paint I could refer to the ground breaking research Seagull carried out with Queens into 2 stroke combustion but the product offered to the customer was inferior to the competition.

    Just like BMC it was OK when the competition was such horrors as the Sea Bee, Atco and of course the Johnson/Evinrude 2&4hp.

    It all changed in 1978/9 - just as I started with Seagull. I remember standing at the boat show in 1979 with all these nice new Yamahas, Suzukis and Mariners etc on the stands close by and prices literally falling daily eroding our previous 40% price advantage. I knew that was it but was not smart enough to start looking elsewhere having committed to the move to Poole. Still, for me it all worked out in the end.

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