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  1. #31
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    Default Re: club regattas

    With the greatest of respect - you’re in the wrong place.

  2. #32
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    I beg your pardon?!

    Would you care to elaborate?

    Bristol Channel, to the best of my knowledge is not a private body of water!

    I DO start to understand, why there are hardly ANY new, young sailors out there. My daughter is the only teenager in CBYC skippering a keel boat.
    More people like you, with similar outlook, and there will be...none!

    Thank goodness the people we do meet while sailing/racing in Bristol Channel are nice.
    As are those we meet sailing elsewhere.

  3. #33
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    Elaboration.

    You seem to find our tidal sailing clubs such as CDYC and Uphill too tricky and hazardous to access with your chosen vessel. You assume NUSC with its overhead pylons a little dangerous. Our mudberths “hardly enticing”. Our existing regattas “not interesting”. PYCC website deficient. Our mountains are too small. Our water is too cold. You want to have fun. Regattas should accommodate your constraints, be held in interesting locations, not have boring run of the mill courses, you dislike waiting for the wind when trying to race.
    Good luck in your search for perfection. I look forward to meeting you on this year’s regatta circuit.

  4. #34
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    I’m sorry 01-Anna I think you seem to be arguing from a very limited perspective.
    Time constraints, work patterns have been in the way for the majority of those of us who sail, maybe back in the 1930’s and before when leisure sailing was for the wealthy who would employ crew such constraints didn’t exist, but certainly in my 50 years of sailing experience it has been regularly been necessary to juggle time and commitments to get on the boat let alone enter the races, that’s life.
    Regatta’s in my experience have been the club events that bring club membership together, with the cruising fraternity joining in with those that race regularly for a day or two of fun competitiveness, and the social members helping ashore or on the water to keep the thing together. Timing of them can be a problem, we are in a tidal harbour which during some low neeps most of our boats don’t even have enough water to lift off at high tide so we have only a few days over the season when our regatta can be run, obviously we try to find a suitable weekend usually during the school holiday period but again have to avoid them clashing with other club regatta’s or local events. In an area such as the BC similar problems probably face the regatta organisers.
    Obviously the planning, racing has to be interesting and not just the same old round the buouys used for every race during the year, and the odd novelty race is often worth looking at, but look a upon the club regatta as a highlight in the clubs calendar when it can be not just a sailing event but a social gathering as well.
    I don’t think the world has changed as much as you seem to think, the majority still work regular hours, and will at times have other comitments which prevent them from entering some events, but most will try to make alternative arrangements in order to get to the annual regatta.
    As for younger sailors, if you know why we aren’t getting the youngsters joining in sailing let us know because from my experience it’s a problem virtually every club in the country has.

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    Snoopy
    You got it in one!

    With a sole exception: we do try to race with CBYC organised IRC races, so if you care to join us you are most welcome! Either on board, or as a competitor!
    Or, perhaps you are already one? Either way, contact me off this thread, if you are up to the challenge... of fun sailing in a racing boat! A completely serious offer!

    My sailing is not centered in Bristol Channel, it is just a place where we are temporalily living, and thus where I keep my boat. For now.

    PS
    Perhaps, if you ventured futher afield, you might actually enjoy fully serviced marinas, absence of mud berths and... the overhelming prevalence some good food into the bargain? Who know, you might be...delighted!
    Last edited by 01_Anna; 18-01-19 at 16:49.

  6. #36
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    I think it's different strokes for different folks here.

    Personally I love visiting other clubs and meeting new people, normally from other clubs doing the same. Living out of the area it's nice to know other people from the channel, unfortunately living out of the area, working full time with a young family with their own needs means I can't always attend regattas, even my own clubs... but I try to visit different places in my own time.

    Once our lad is a bit older and I'm happy taking him on the boat I'm very looking forward to exploring more of the channel including sitting in another clubs mudberth with a pack of cards (probably a games console), cooking bad food whilst the rain pouring down outside and having to get up in the dark to catch the tide etc. He'll probably hate it but hopefully he'll look back at it when he's older with some fondness.
    Tom, Sundance
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    Default Re: club regattas

    Sorry I didn't see your last reply before posting mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by 01_Anna View Post
    PS
    Perhaps, if you ventured futher afield, you might actually enjoy fully serviced marinas, absence of mud berths and... the overhelming prevalence some good food into the bargain? Who know, you might be...delighted!
    Unfortunately if I didn't have my old tub and it's £200 a year mooring (inc memberships fees) and other friendly clubs that'll let me stay on one of their moorings/pontoons for free I wouldn't be able to go sailing. I would love to have a fast boat, keep it in a fully serviced marina, have better sails, extra equipment but we live by our means. I/my family sacrifice a lot to have the boat and that includes buying our own house, but we have a great quality of life with no debt.
    Last edited by Yellow Ballad; 18-01-19 at 17:16.
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  8. #38
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    Praxinoscope,
    I sail. For fun. As already stated previuosly, in this thread. The social part is not important to me at all.
    I can join in but this is not what sailing is all about. For me. And for a lot of my sailing friends. Perhaps being woman has something to do with it?
    I cannot comment on sailing in the time when I was not even born!

    As I seem to be the ONLY person with teenagers at home, writing in this thread, I feel qualified to comment on this.
    Nothing to do with a club, everything to do with the attitude of people running it.
    I keep sailing with kids, friends of my own children.
    My daughter was made welcome, just as a generation ago I was made welcome.
    But, my friends tell me of the experiences which put them off, as well as put off their kids.

    Look at this thread?
    I am cautious, and I would not go to places I deem dangerous. Why? Because I am alone, with an underage kid aboard.
    What was the reply?

    Times have moved on.

    When I went to school we had weekends free. Now, my children attend school on selected Sundays...because they are gifted, and it is the time when the classes are offered.

    How do you attend both school and the races?

    My guess, you did not have such a dilemma half a century ago, or did you?

    Now my daugher says this:

    It is a quote:
    Youth do not see sailing as an option. It has a reputation of a sport for rich old men. There is hardly any info about it. ( my comment: by that they mean social media, internet etc. It HAS to be made accessible! For them, not burried in some club magazine).
    She added, there is no one sailing they know.

    Do you get the picture?
    My friends, were not made welcome with their kids, so...they went elsewhere. My children's friends do not even think saling is for them.

    I can keep taking kids out, but realistically how many could I take?
    Why I seem to be the only one most of the time, on weekends, whe everyone here claims to sail more? An "outreach" approach is the only way, I think. Open days perhaps?
    Try sailing ? Etc etc
    Last edited by 01_Anna; 18-01-19 at 16:50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01_Anna View Post
    Praxinoscope,
    I sail. For fun. As already stated previuosly, in this thread. The social part is not important to me at all.
    I can join in but this is not what sailing is all about. For me. And for a lot of my sailing friends. Perhaps being woman has something to do with it?
    I cannot comment on sailing in the time when I was not even born!

    As I seem to be the ONLY person with teenagers at home, writing in this thread, I feel qualified to comment on this.
    Nothing to do with a club, everything to do with the attitude of people running it.
    I keep sailing with kids, friends of my own children.
    My daughter was made welcome, just as a generation ago I was made welcome.
    But, my friends tell me of the experiences which put them off, as well as put off their kids.

    Look at this thread?
    I am cautious, and I would not go to places I deem dangerous. Why? Because I am alone, with an underage kid aboard.
    What was the reply?

    Times have moved on.

    When I went to school we had weekends free. Now, my children attend school on selected Sundays...because they are gifted, and it is the time when the classes are offered.

    How do you attend both school and the races?

    My guess, you did not have such a dilemma half a century ago, or did you?

    Now my daugher says this:

    It is a quote:
    Youth do not see sailing as an option. It has a reputation of a sport for rich old men. There is hardly any info about it. ( my comment: by that they mean social media, internet etc. It HAS to be made accessible! For them, not burried in some club magazine).
    She added, there is no one sailing they know.

    Do you get the picture?
    My friends, were not made welcome with their kids, so...they went elsewhere. My children's friends do not even think saling is for them.

    I can keep taking kids out, but realistically how many could I take?
    Why I seem to be the only one most of the time, on weekends, whe everyone here claims to sail more? An "outreach" approach is the only way, I think. Open days perhaps?
    Try sailing ? Etc etc
    Please don’t give us the old ‘because I’m a woman’ thing, two of our most successful racers in our club are women, one is now aproaching her late 70’s rhe other is now in her mid 30’s, both sail hard and join in the social activities. My daughter who is now in her early 30’s started sailing in one of our clubs ‘Try Sailing’ weekends which ran from Friday evening to Sunday afternoon and covered basic theory on the water, rigging a dinghy, sailing a dinghy around the harbour and finally a short race between the club dinghy’s when she was 11 and actually gained her Yachtmaster at the age of 21. She was never made to feel unwelcome in any of the clubs we visited over the years she sailed with me. She was actually mentioned in the local newspaper in Plymouth when she was only 9 months old when we raced in Plymouth Week with her wedged in a quarter berth during the racing. As for undr age what do you classify as under age, my daughter was my only crew for a long weekend sailing over to Ireland and back, another club member used to take his 12 year old nephew for a month sailing around the Irish Sea.

    Weekend school is a lifestyle choice not an essential, I’m sure they would be happy to miss the odd weekend to go sailing if they are enthusiastic about sailing. Maybe they aren’t?

    Sailing like everything in life takes a bit of effort from everyone involved and may at times require some compromises.

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    Praxinoscope,
    Do not mis-quote please!
    The statement "I am female" referred to the fact I do not enjoy socialising in a club which centres on drinking. My sailing (girl)friends do not either.
    This, and nothing more.

    Dinghies again!
    Why do you think, this is of any interest to any kids, nowadays? Let's concentrate on the interesting sailing, and speak of boats!
    BTW. I never sailed a dinghy...

    Ladies in their seventies who race have my full admiration! I hope I will be so agile.

    Underage is anyone less than 18 year old. What was considered acceptable in the past, is not now.
    Again, I am speaking from the position of an actual mother to teenagers, and not second hand experience.
    To put it into context, I sailed a keelboat by myself as an early teen. Now, even the boat insurance specifies "adult responsible skipper..."

    One cannot equate "What was then" with now.

    As for missing school- this is simply not an option. Those classes are for GIFTED children. Put on especially for them, so that they excel in their exams. And hopefully later on in their chosen carreers. It would be highly irresponsible of me, as a parent to deny my own kids access to the education...for the sake of a little hobby. If you think they will miss it- just the opposite in fact. Kids nowadays are highly motivated, they actually know -that in order to get to a good university - they have to try extra hard. So they do. Not a lifestyle choice...but a necessity. Are we going to discuss the tuition fees next?
    Did you pay for yours? I did, for my own degree!

    So, are we comparing life then or life as it is now?

    I did state above , what is my contribution, however little,
    to introducing other children/ teenagers to sailing. Now.

    I would be interested to hear about your experiences, what do you do now?
    Last edited by 01_Anna; 18-01-19 at 18:07.

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