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  1. #61
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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanS View Post
    If you want a fair comparison, you would have to consider the relative numbers of ferry/cargo ships compared with that of our ever shrinking RN.
    Three Astute-class submarines are in service. Two of them have been involved in significant accidents.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanS View Post
    Mmmm, very astute.
    We’ve no reason to believe the submarine involved was the Astute, but as you mention it, the Astute team’s navigation is just as reckless. https://www.gov.uk/government/public...2-october-2010.

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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    Their navigators have a very solid grounding in pilotage, I hear.
    Brilliant.

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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    Well done to the ferry watch keepers.

    Or perhaps it was the classic "continuous echo sir "
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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
    It's unfair to keep mentioning HMS Astute going aground - this is not a p' take.

    It seems from what I've heard the skipper was very good - as one would have to be to get the job as C/O of first of class nuclear attack boat - but he was pressured by examiners to get them to a nearby jetty to help their trip home - damned if he did, damned if he didn't - I'm sure he now wishes he'd told them to get stuffed and walk or arrange a lift from a safer berth.
    To avoid looking foolish I suggest you read the Service Enquiry Report into the grounding.
    https://assets.publishing.service.go..._si_report.pdf
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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    Quote Originally Posted by A1Sailor View Post
    To avoid looking foolish I suggest you read the Service Enquiry Report into the grounding.
    https://assets.publishing.service.go..._si_report.pdf
    Good grief!! That's pathetic. I'm always better prepared, single handed on my Folkboat. I DO have a functioning VHF; I DO have a nav system that's updating me all of the time; I DO have a back up for both of the above. I DO know where I am and in 'confined waters', I DO have the echo sounder running. Here's the other thing, if something isn't working, I repair it. I write the above in the full knowledge of not really being very good, but better than that.
    What was the phrase; "Casual"? With a nuclear boat?? Really?!?!
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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    Quote Originally Posted by A1Sailor View Post
    To avoid looking foolish I suggest you read the Service Enquiry Report into the grounding.
    https://assets.publishing.service.go..._si_report.pdf
    Sorry, but that opportunity has long passed.

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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamie N View Post
    Good grief!! That's pathetic. I'm always better prepared, single handed on my Folkboat.
    Absolutely. Perhaps those so vehemently defending Royal Navy standards would care to comment on this:



    Sounds like a Day Skipper fail to me.
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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    Quote Originally Posted by A1Sailor View Post
    To avoid looking foolish I suggest you read the Service Enquiry Report into the grounding.
    https://assets.publishing.service.go..._si_report.pdf
    I think Seajet is conflating the Astute grounding (in which the need to do a boat, not jetty, transfer was a root cause) and the Ambush collision, which showed poor coordination between the CO and an examiner on board.

    I wonder whether they'll find a new way to screw up with the Artful (almost hit a ferry, maybe?) or stick to the tried-and-tested.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: RN submarine seamanship strikes (almost) again.

    You seem to have an axe to grind, Jumbleduck -

    sure the services have been ground down, one look at modern documentaries on the RN featuring clueless fat Mancunian girls on warships shows that, and having women on subs seems a bad PR idea - not being sexist, just pragmatic.

    However I wouldn't fancy your or my chances on a Perisher course.
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