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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterWright View Post
    Hi,

    I find the police inaction described in the last two posts a very sad reflection on where we are with law enforcement. Criminal activity is now so unlikely to result in a real penalty that the criminals are learning, by experience, that there are no consequences and become repeat offenders. By the time a significant sentence is passed, it's the fourth or fifth offence and the learning from the earlier experience is deeply engrained.

    Sociologists then do research on the effectiveness of custodial sentences and conclude that they don't prevent further re offending. I believe their conclusion is wrong and it's the overall pattern of no real penalty for the first few offences, rather than the custodial sentence, that engrains criminality, resulting in repeat offending.

    I do not believe ASBOs, community service and tagging and suspended sentences help reduce criminal activity in our society.

    Lastly, I don't believe it's so much the police to blame for all this. Even when they put a lot of work into building a case to the high standard required for the CPS to prosecute, the courts hand out ineffective sentences. Is it any wonder that the police wonder why they bothered?

    (steps down from pulpit, sorry)

    Peter.
    I believe you. Probably why police go for easy targets such as on spot fines road violations and the like. Will this lead to vigilantism though in respect of the crimes the police dont act upon? Public policing the laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltcom View Post
    Will this lead to vigilantism though in respect of the crimes the police dont act upon? Public policing the laws?
    I believe it will. Our local Facebook group is full of CCTV images and films of local scroats up to no good, and responses from the local plod that there is nothing they can do. These criminals will be identified and the right/wrong person will take matters into their own hands. Annoyingly, when they do, I bet plod will be down on them like a ton of bricks.
    If found in the Brexit forum, please return to the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterWright View Post
    Sociologists then do research on the effectiveness of custodial sentences and conclude that they don't prevent further re offending.
    I had friend who was a Police Officer, and he was the minimum height to get into the Police force. I asked him one day if he were not scared of some 6 foot plus villain he was arresting.. He told me that they don't worry about those because prison is probably better than their homes .... and I think that is the problem. Prison is too soft, and not really much of a deterrent to many that get convicted, it ought to be the most horrible place they have ever been
    I respect my elders, but I can't find many now

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidofMersea View Post
    Prison is too soft, and not really much of a deterrent to many that get convicted, it ought to be the most horrible place they have ever been
    One of my clients is a Senior Prison Manager. They also feel that conditions in Prisons are far too soft for the majority of the quote "noxious little scroats who we have to treat with respect as it may violate their human rights". As my client says, these little gits are not too bothered about the poor sod whose human rights they have violated, but they get put inside and they expect to be waited on hand and foot.
    IMHO the entire penal system needs reform:
    1) First offence against property or GBH/ABH but non murder - substantial fine and a minimum of 96 hours community service to be served in consecutive days sorting waste at a council waste site.
    2) Second offence against property or GBH/ABH minimum of 3 years National Service in a front line role. That would hopefully concentrate their thinking a bit.
    3) Murder - No 'smoking gun' - Life imprisonment with a minimum term of 20 years with basic facilities and basic food. No access to internet or television but allowed 30 minutes Radio 4 news programmes a day.
    4) Murder - 'smoking gun' A life for a life!

    Yes, I know I am an old softie but I think attitudes would improve somewhat dramatically.
    I wish they would move mornings to a more convenient time of the day...

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    Default Re: Stolen outboard

    wouldn't 30 mins of radio 4 each day amount to cruel and inhuman punishment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmalade View Post
    wouldn't 30 mins of radio 4 each day amount to cruel and inhuman punishment?
    Yup, 6.30pm until 7pm on a Monday night, as long as Nicholas Parsons is alive, that should do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmalade View Post
    wouldn't 30 mins of radio 4 each day amount to cruel and inhuman punishment?
    In the words of the great WS Gilbert

    A more humane Mikado never
    Did in Japan exist,
    To nobody second,
    I'm certainly reckoned
    A true philanthropist.
    It is my very humane endeavour
    To make, to some extent,
    Each evil liver
    A running river
    Of harmless merriment.

    My object all sublime
    I shall achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!

    All prosy dull society sinners,
    Who chatter and bleat and bore,
    Are sent to hear sermons
    From mystical Germans
    Who preach from ten till four.
    The amateur tenor, whose vocal villainies
    All desire to shirk,
    Shall, during off-hours,
    Exhibit his powers
    To Madame Tussaud's waxwork.

    The lady who dyes a chemical yellow
    Or stains her grey hair puce,
    Or pinches her figure,
    Is painted with vigour,
    With permanent walnut juice.
    The idiot who, in railway carriages,
    Scribbles on window-panes,
    We only suffer
    To ride on a buffer
    In Parliamentary trains.

    My object all sublime
    I shall achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!

    Chorus:
    His object all sublime
    He will achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!

    Mikado:
    The advertising quack who wearies
    With tales of countless cures,
    His teeth, I've enacted,
    Shall all be extracted
    By terrified amateurs.
    The music-hall singer attends a series
    Of masses and fugues and "ops"
    By Bach, interwoven
    With Spohr and Beethoven,
    At classical Monday Pops.

    The billiard sharp who any one catches,
    His doom's extremely hard —
    He's made to dwell —
    In a dungeon cell
    On a spot that's always barred.
    And there he plays extravagant matches
    In fitless finger-stalls
    On a cloth untrue
    With a twisted cue
    And elliptical billiard balls!

    My object all sublime
    I shall achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!

    Chorus:
    His object all sublime
    He will achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!
    I wish they would move mornings to a more convenient time of the day...

  8. #18
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    "Something humourous and lingering, with boiling oil or melted lead" seems to be appropriate for people who steal esential yachting equipment!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra View Post
    In the words of the great WS Gilbert

    A more humane Mikado never
    Did in Japan exist,
    To nobody second,
    I'm certainly reckoned
    A true philanthropist.
    It is my very humane endeavour
    To make, to some extent,
    Each evil liver
    A running river
    Of harmless merriment.

    My object all sublime
    I shall achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!

    All prosy dull society sinners,
    Who chatter and bleat and bore,
    Are sent to hear sermons
    From mystical Germans
    Who preach from ten till four.
    The amateur tenor, whose vocal villainies
    All desire to shirk,
    Shall, during off-hours,
    Exhibit his powers
    To Madame Tussaud's waxwork.

    The lady who dyes a chemical yellow
    Or stains her grey hair puce,
    Or pinches her figure,
    Is painted with vigour,
    With permanent walnut juice.
    The idiot who, in railway carriages,
    Scribbles on window-panes,
    We only suffer
    To ride on a buffer
    In Parliamentary trains.

    My object all sublime
    I shall achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!

    Chorus:
    His object all sublime
    He will achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!

    Mikado:
    The advertising quack who wearies
    With tales of countless cures,
    His teeth, I've enacted,
    Shall all be extracted
    By terrified amateurs.
    The music-hall singer attends a series
    Of masses and fugues and "ops"
    By Bach, interwoven
    With Spohr and Beethoven,
    At classical Monday Pops.

    The billiard sharp who any one catches,
    His doom's extremely hard —
    He's made to dwell —
    In a dungeon cell
    On a spot that's always barred.
    And there he plays extravagant matches
    In fitless finger-stalls
    On a cloth untrue
    With a twisted cue
    And elliptical billiard balls!

    My object all sublime
    I shall achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!

    Chorus:
    His object all sublime
    He will achieve in time —
    To let the punishment fit the crime —
    The punishment fit the crime;
    And make each prisoner pent
    Unwillingly represent
    A source of innocent merriment!
    Of innocent merriment!

  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra View Post
    In the words of the great WS Gilbert

    A more humane Mikado never ........
    Hi Cobra,

    Many thanks for redirecting this thread, which I foolishly sent in a direction more appropriate to the lounge, back to an atmosphere which suits well the ECF.

    Peter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Tribe View Post
    Valid comment, thanks. I will raise it with the committee. What the insurance can't replace is the disappointment caused by cancellation of kids training.
    Apparently the insurance co have advised that, if a claim is made, the new premium will be increased by the same amount as the claim, so effectivly not insured.

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