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    Default Re: Anyone else beginning to panic as to where to winter, 2019/20 if no deal Bre><it.

    Quote Originally Posted by nortada View Post
    So this is why loads of folks have registered for temporary (5 year) residency in the EU country of their choice.
    Also don't forget it's a rolling 180 window and temporary residency only works for the specific country, Schengen rules still apply in all the other countries.

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    Thumbs up Re: Anyone else beginning to panic as to where to winter, 2019/20 if no deal Bre><it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieW View Post
    Also don't forget it's a rolling 180 window and temporary residency only works for the specific country, Schengen rules still apply in all the other countries.
    So you could cruise 90/180 days before returning to your registered country, any non-EU country or the UK.

    As Schengen applies to people not boats, you could park your boat wherever you wish for as long as you want.

    If (big IF) Brexit ever happens, would take a bit of organising but seems a reasonable life style to me.
    Last edited by nortada; 01-06-19 at 07:22.
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    Default Re: Anyone else beginning to panic as to where to winter, 2019/20 if no deal Bre><it.

    Quote Originally Posted by nortada View Post
    So you could cruise 90/180 days before returning to your registered country, the UK or any non-EU country.

    As Schengen applies to people not boats, you could park your boat wherever you wish for as long as you want.

    If, big if, Brexit ever happens, would take a bit of organising but seems a reasonable life style to me.
    A lot more difficult than currently.
    First you need to get residency (and deal with the specific issues and obligations of that country, such as tax and medical insurance etc)and then you would need to keep coming back to that specific country after your 90 days in every 180, which can be a faff depending on where you get to on your cruise
    In no way does it compare to the current status with freedom of movement

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    Default Re: Anyone else beginning to panic as to where to winter, 2019/20 if no deal Bre><it.

    If you take Spanish residency you will be obliged to re flag to a Spanish one, also you will have to comply with the following

    http://www.idealspain.com/Pages/Naut...ses_spain.html

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    Default Re: Anyone else beginning to panic as to where to winter, 2019/20 if no deal Bre><it.

    If you don’t speak the lingo then Yacht Master is recognised, which might be your best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jordanbasset View Post
    A lot more difficult than currently.
    First you need to get residency (and deal with the specific issues and obligations of that country, such as tax and medical insurance etc)and then you would need to keep coming back to that specific country after your 90 days in every 180, which can be a faff depending on where you get to on your cruise
    In no way does it compare to the current status with freedom of movement
    Although not enforced in many EU countries, currently you are supposed to register for temporary (5 year) residency if you intend to be in that country for more than 3 months. No-compliance can carry a hefty fine - in Portugal up to €1,500.

    Unless you spend more than 183 days in a year in your host country, earn no money in that country and remit your taxes to the UK, you have no tax liability in your host country. If you spend more than 183 days in country, you may be required to remit a tax return but will still not have any tax liability.

    Nevertheless, you may be required to demonstrate you are solvent and unlikely to present a financial burden to your host country.

    As a resident you benefit from your host countries health service so there is no requirement for additional insurance. You may even be able to apply for an EHIC from you host country; for use in other EU countries, in the unlikely event that the UK EHIC doesn't survive Brexit.

    Believe if a resident registers to vote, they may be able to vote in local but not national elections.

    After 5 years, you can get permanent (10 year) residence, which is issued at a national rather than a local council level of government.

    As said before Schengen applies to people but not boats so agree Brexit could require changes but with residency in an EU country they should be fairly manageable.

    Quote Originally Posted by One A. View Post
    If you take Spanish residency you will be obliged to re flag to a Spanish one, also you will have to comply with the following

    http://www.idealspain.com/Pages/Naut...ses_spain.html
    Not true.

    It has always been the case that if you are in country for more than 3 months, you are required to get residency (possible €1,500 fine if you don't) so Brexit changes nothing.

    I suspect you may be muddling residency with citizenship - very different. For example as a resident you continue to travel on your UK passport and there are no language qualifications required.

    I believe Sailfree already has Portuguese residencia and may be pursuing citizenship - so he could be your expert on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seven Spades View Post
    If you don’t speak the lingo then Yacht Master is recognized, which might be your best option.
    Currently you are required to have an ICC (it is preferred to Yachtmaster) and as this legislation is not EU, an ICC will still be valid whatever form of Brexit we end up with.
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    'As a starter, you could consider registering for temporary residence (5 years) that may smooth your path should Brexit ever happen. Again there is loads about this on the link above.'

    If you have temporary 'residence' in Spain the ICC is not recognised and if the flag is not Spanish you are obliged to re flag it, can you provide a link to the contrary please.

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    Default Re: Anyone else beginning to panic as to where to winter, 2019/20 if no deal Bre><it.

    Quote Originally Posted by One A. View Post
    'As a starter, you could consider registering for temporary residence (5 years) that may smooth your path should Brexit ever happen. Again there is loads about this on the link above.'

    If you have temporary 'residence' in Spain the ICC is not recognised and if the flag is not Spanish you are obliged to re flag it, can you provide a link to the contrary please.
    What link above?

    Although we have family property in Ayamonte, we don't keep the boat in Spain and do not spend long enough in Spain (3 months) to have to register so not my problem but I have many friends based in Spain on British flagged boats. As required, some have registered but their flag remains the same.

    You make a good argument for basing yourself in Portugal and visiting Spain for less than 3 months in any 6. This would overcome any future Schengen issues.

    Links - you will be well aware you don't get negative links but as a positive, some of the guys resident on their boats is Spain may like to clarify the issue.
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    Default Re: Anyone else beginning to panic as to where to winter, 2019/20 if no deal Bre><it.

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    Default Re: Anyone else beginning to panic as to where to winter, 2019/20 if no deal Bre><it.

    On another tack, I personally know a Brit liveaboard who has Portuguese, Spanish, French and Greek residency all at the same time.

    Talk about belt and braces.

    Oh yes, he flys the good old UJ.
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