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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Quote Originally Posted by 12 Year Plan B-) View Post
    I still worry about him. Don't get me wrong; I know he is a gentleman, that he has spirit, that he is bold, brave and enthusiastic. He surely is an inspiration to us all...but it is clear to me that he is not a born sailor. He has been lucky with the weather so far (and long may this state of affairs continue). Can't help thinking that he should spend his spare time reading about Moittessier, Knox-Johsnston, Joshua Slocum, Pete Goss etc. etc. Their stories are essential reading for short-handed sailors, no???
    Can you define a "born sailor"? One who was born at sea; one who is comfortable on a boat; one who can roll a cigarette single handed in a F10 (my late father); one who can steer with the big toe of either foot or somebody who has a huge love and respect for the sea?

    The amazing thing about sailing is it offers so much to so many people. Dingy sailors who like to get their bums wet, sailors who own a caravan with a sail and never take it out of the marina, sailors who move their caravan with a sail round marinas, sailors who like to race and get shouted at by the skipper, sailors who cross oceans single handed.

    We are all different and we cannot criticize others for doing something different to our own unique love of the sea, well apart from all these people who think that you have to get your bum wet in order to sail a yacht efficiently.

    We have friends who sailed from France, over the Atlantic, Panama Canal, west coast of Chile, Cape Horn, South Georgia, up islands of the mid Atlantic ridge, Ireland, Scotland, Norway, France, England US of A. We talked with them at the beginning and end of the three year trip, both children were primary school age at the time, they had a fantastic adventure. Average apparent wind for the whole trip F4.
    Cynical Scottish almost retired engineer.

  2. #42
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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanB View Post
    Watching Patrick Laine and his sailing videos is a real pleasure and an order of magnitude more preferable than reading some of the shite spouted on this forum.

    A firm and trenchant view.

    I do like his berthing videos.
    As others have said, he has a complete lack of pretension. Which my dictionary tells me means: " the use of affectation to impress others"
    Surely not on this forum ;-)

  3. #43
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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Quote Originally Posted by doug748 View Post
    the use of affectation to impress others"
    Surely not on this forum ;-)
    First rule of navigation - try not to get stuck up your own digestive tract.

  4. #44
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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Quote Originally Posted by 12 Year Plan B-) View Post
    Please accept my apologies, Norman: I don't know if I was born with a bulls**t detector or if I acquired it over time, or maybe with experience...but I am stuck with it now and feel obliged to share.
    Funnily enough, your posts send my bullshit barometer into the red.

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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Quote Originally Posted by 12 Year Plan B-) View Post
    Hi NormanB
    Was Patrick Laine really a fighter pilot?...please advise...
    If it helps you somehow to judge his competence or his maritime birthright then yes he was a USN fighter pilot.
    He does not shout that from the roof tops though and he does not seem to judge others.
    He does judge himself though and most times harshly.

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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanB View Post
    If it helps you somehow to judge his competence or his maritime birthright then yes he was a USN fighter pilot.
    He does not shout that from the roof tops though and he does not seem to judge others.
    He does judge himself though and most times harshly.
    I think USN fighter pilot is probably a better training in weather routing and risk assessment than any 'born sailor' is going to have. And Patrick Laine's ocean crossings have shown he is more than up to the task. And as for being a 'born sailor', I didn't get on a boat until my 40s. Do I have to ask permission before going out?

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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanB View Post
    If it helps you somehow to judge his competence or his maritime birthright then yes he was a USN fighter pilot.
    He does not shout that from the roof tops though and he does not seem to judge others.
    He does judge himself though and most times harshly.
    I agree completely. He is the first to get the camera and say " what a mess I made of x.. what I should have done was y".

    What's interesting is in all these long journeys he does, the vast majority of the filming he presents is a critique of himself instead of putting together a film that shows how wonderful and competent he is. He chooses to show us the bits that go wrong rather than all the hours and maneuvers that he nails first time.

    Totally honest and completely down to earth.
    Someone more informed will come along any minute

  8. #48
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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Not trying to detract from your complimentary post but that's how things are in the world of professional aviation. As an ex USN pilot, he was very professional.

  9. #49
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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanB View Post
    If it helps you somehow to judge his competence or his maritime birthright then yes he was a USN fighter pilot.
    He does not shout that from the roof tops though and he does not seem to judge others.
    He does judge himself though and most times harshly.
    Lucky bu**er!...it must be great to fly those things!

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    Default Re: Yay. Patrick Laine is back :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Achosenman View Post
    Yes he was. I have had a brief conversation with him, as one retired pilot to another. Lots of pilots turn to sailing when time permits. As for the weather, don’t worry. It’s my experience you “ natural born sailors” are babes in the woods when it comes to the weather and interpretation of synoptic charts etc...
    Is avoiding bad weather difficult with a ceiling of 50,000 ft. and speeds up to mach 2?
    Last edited by 12 Year Plan B-); 13-04-19 at 21:57.

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