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    Default MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    MAIB have just released the report into the collision between roro Red Falcon and motor cruiser Phoenix in the Thorn Channel, Southampton on 29th Sept 2018

    https://assets.publishing.service.go...nd_Phoenix.pdf
    Last edited by chrishscorp; 28-03-19 at 07:15. Reason: a more direct link

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    Default Re: MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    Oops..
    Not as bad as cutting a boat in two ...
    Life is too short to drink bad wine.

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    Default Re: MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    Quote Originally Posted by chrishscorp View Post
    MAIB have just released the report into the collision between roro Red Falcon and motor cruiser Phoenix in the Thorn Channel, Southampton on 29th Sept 2018

    https://assets.publishing.service.go...nd_Phoenix.pdf
    My summary.

    Both at fault.

    Red Falcon made an honest mistake but clearly should have given way.

    Phoenix skipper put himself at unnecessary risk and is the posterboy for the yachtie perception that power boaters are all incompetent. The irony is he was going slow because one of his crew was scared. Basic seamanship on his part would have avoided the collision.

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    Default Re: MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    We must all have had that moment early in our boating lives - particularly after a tack - when you find yourself in the path of a monster that has been coming up behind you and you haven’t looked round to see. We mostly get way with that first mistake and don’t do it again, so I feel for the guy.

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    Default Re: MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    My summary.

    Both at fault.

    Red Falcon made an honest mistake but clearly should have given way.

    Phoenix skipper put himself at unnecessary risk and is the posterboy for the yachtie perception that power boaters are all incompetent. The irony is he was going slow because one of his crew was scared. Basic seamanship on his part would have avoided the collision.
    Doesn't Red Link qualify for the "Area of Concern" or whatever they call it? Even if not the Small Boat was required not to impede.

    Of course you can argue that as the ferry didn't notice the collision it was not impeded

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    Default Re: MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    No the ferry has no special rights it is shallow draft and manoeuvreble. It is not a narrow channel for a ferry so the do not impede rule does not apply.
    It should therefore give way to all sailing boats that’s aren’t overtaking him and in this instance he was in the same category as the Doral but was overtaking so should have given way. No doubt about that.
    Doral though was obliged to keep a lookout which he didn’t and to avoid a collision which he didn’t.
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    Default Re: MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    My summary.

    Red Falcon 80% at fault. Phoenix 20% at fault.

    The Phoenix skipper should have spent more time looking around 360 degrees rather than focusing solely on forward vision. However, vessels approaching from behind should certainly not be his primary focus but vessels ahead should be the Red Falcon skipper's primary focus.

    Because of the balance of fault, I would certainly not draw any conclusions about the Phoenix skipper's competence.

    A cheap, easily fitted, AIS receiver on the Phoenix would, almost certainly, have avoided the situation entirely. The MAIB might have missed this trick.

    Richard
    Last edited by RichardS; 28-03-19 at 09:10.

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    Default Re: MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    Quote Originally Posted by bedouin View Post
    Doesn't Red Link qualify for the "Area of Concern" or whatever they call it? Even if not the Small Boat was required not to impede.
    Red Link is 93m long, whereas the rules apply to identified vessels >150m. According to LNTM No. 3/2014:

    "Precautionary Area
    All vessels over 150m in length, whilst navigating this area, will havea MOVING PROHIBITED ZONE 1000m ahead and 100m to eitherside. These vessels are required to display a black cylinder by dayand three all round red lights in a vertical line at night.Vessels under 20m are prohibited from entering the MovingProhibited Zone.Whenever possible, vessels over 150m will be escorted by a patrollaunch showing a blue flashing light. The absence of the launch willnot invalidate the Moving Prohibited Zone."

    http://www.southamptonvts.co.uk/admi...A3%20Chart.pdf


    Edit:
    here's another link well worth reading:

    http://www.southamptonvts.co.uk/admi...-by%20page.pdf
    Last edited by dom; 28-03-19 at 09:20.

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    Default Re: MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post

    Because of the balance of fault, I would certainly not draw any conclusions about the Phoenix skipper's competence.
    You don't need to - MAIB makes that quite clear.

    17 years boating in the Solent and doesn't even know Colregs.

    I would put the blame more like 50/50 - if you are entering/crossing a narrow channel you need to look first.

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    Default Re: MAIB Report Red Falcon and Phoenix collision

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    A cheap, easily fitted, AIS receiver on the Phoenix would, almost certainly, have avoided the situation entirely. The MAIB might have missed this trick.
    I am not so sure, no VHF! Would peering at a AIS screen restrict the skipper from looking around him in all directions?

    Glad to hear that all are safe and well.
    Cynical Scottish almost retired engineer.

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