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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    Quote Originally Posted by sailaboutvic View Post
    You missed the important part , a good sea going motor cruiser , or are you saying there not a motor boat that will do both jobs ?
    Some motorboats aren't really suited to river use (e.g. deep v-hulls with a single outdrive, massive engines etc.).
    Similarly some river boats will not fare well on the open sea (forward facing windows, small engines, seating that isn't fixed).

    Some boats will do both reasonably well.
    e.g. some Brooms are river-only, but many are suitable for sea use as well.

  2. #12
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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    For a selection of Dutch Steel
    https://yachtfocus.co.uk/used-boats/

  3. #13
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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    Brooms with bigger engines would be an ideal compromise, sea kindly and can get a move on if required, usually all the top hamper can be lowered for canals etc.Avoid old Perkins engines.
    Crown or Monarch perhaps.
    Steel needs careful survey and most not ideal for offshore, simply to slow.
    Last edited by oldgit; 08-04-19 at 12:39.

  4. #14
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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerPower View Post
    Some motorboats aren't really suited to river use (e.g. deep v-hulls with a single outdrive, massive engines etc.).
    Similarly some river boats will not fare well on the open sea (forward facing windows, small engines, seating that isn't fixed).

    Some boats will do both reasonably well.
    e.g. some Brooms are river-only, but many are suitable for sea use as well.
    People run some big old planning motor boats on the Thames. Many are at the end of my partners garden!

    They will never get above idle and the general view is they probably coke up over time.

    In one way they would be a decent choice. Possibly cheap, not under stress, they use little fuel at displacement speeds, comfortable etc.

    But they are often tall and deep ( canals have height and depth limits) and if you do goto sea in them I suspect it is a slight lottery as to when it will go wrong.

    If you know which canals and rivers this will automatically limit your choice to what will fit. Then apply budget and see what is left.

    A rear cabin boat seems a good idea to me. A 12m boat is not that big if you want to live on it and you will need all the space you can muster.

  5. #15
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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    Much of this forum is about different sized mobos zapping about at sea...there is a livaboard forum..I suspect it is mostly sail, but I can see the occasional mobo query. There is probably also a Broom forum of some sort that might have more canal related input for you, or suggest other places to check.

  6. #16
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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    From your origial post you mention the vessel has to be seaworthy
    'most Important' I think you typed
    I too would put that Crireria at the forefront should I wish to do the same
    In fact I am helping a friend on His search for a vessel with similar qualities

    Our Travels on said search has recently taken us to Holland France Scotland and quite a few places on this Sceptered Isle!
    Budgett is quite healthy
    Let Me point out I am just the tyre kicker 'expert' here
    He needs a boat that will cope with strong currents too, for various reasons
    So 'displacement' craft will not suit
    So that narrows down the Search
    'Planing hulls' will not do at all
    Therefore its will be a 'Semi'
    Make/ Models looked at, inc the Southampton boat show last year
    Botnia Targa
    Nimbus (sea trialed}
    Storebro
    Dale Nelson (Sea Trialed)
    Benneteua Trawlers
    Various Sealine, Fairline, Princess, Sunseekers
    All about 40 to 50ft
    Sea Trialled some of the above just mentioned
    I am the tyre kicker because during the last 20 odd years or so I have delivered loads of boats , taught people , handed over boats for Dealers etc
    This experience I am able to pass on to my Mate
    Finding 'The Perfect' motorboat for the Task in question is interesting and bloody impossible!
    Cos 'They Aint' made it yet!
    So as we all know there has to be a Compromise
    His ideal vessel would do the following
    Good at sea
    Go through the French canals
    Have a flybridge or a raised outer helm staion
    Cruise at 12 kts minimum
    Aft Cabin
    inc berths for two more guests minimum
    Heating and air con
    Crane to lift two small motorbikes on for visiting the IOM etc for the TT!
    Two Heads
    Shaft drive
    Not too much canvas with those dammed annoying popper stud things
    Safe side decks for dogs and children
    'Options'
    Ice maker and water maker
    Sprung mattresses
    Bar (personally that would be at the forefront of My Specs)!
    Range at least 1000 nautical miles at 9 kts
    Not older than 2015
    He does like 'shiney' stuff!
    People
    Anything out ther You know about?
    Even as a semi pro boat tyre kicker
    I am struggling here!
    Sorry to intrude on your Thread 'sailaboutvic' but you never know
    The Good People of this Forai might help both of us!

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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    Something like this?
    Could do with cockpit re-furb and "un-purpling" the carpets, but you'd have 10k spare to smarten things up:

    https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...nced%20listing


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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    if you go under a bridge with your saily thing then it will fit under many more

  9. #19
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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    mobo's get quite hot in the sunshine, guess due to the superstructure / windows.
    whatever you get give some serious thought to shade etc.

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    Default Re: Time to think about motor boat

    That Broom 33 looks lovely and seems to offer a huge amount of accommodation although its a bit marginal engine power wise for sea use. As it (and the larger 37) were part of the 'offshore' range however they would not have much, if any, of a keel to protect sterngear. Also my uncle has just bought a 37 for less than the (admittedly) advertised price of that 33.

    Other broom options:
    - Broom Crown 37. Try to get one without the lower helm and with Volvo's. Slower than others but almost perfect boat for the job.
    - Broom 10/70. Older than the 33/37 but has a keel. Try to get one with Volvo 200's
    - Broom Monarch. Expensive but fantastic, probably as large as you could go in a broom for canal work. Best with Volvo 306's.

    Other manufacturers:
    - Aquastar 33 or 38 oceanranger
    - Neptunus 133 - Lovely layout. You can get some without flybridge, aft deck steering instead.
    - Nelson 42?? - A bit narrow and possibly too old but well liked by ex-sailors.

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