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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    Quote Originally Posted by DazzyWoo View Post
    Thanks Jez - we will add the Rodman to the list.

    Re: Azimut 39 - we would be keeping the boat in SW UK. They all seem to be on Cats and Cummins, and I'm a bit nervous (perhaps unnecessarily?) about maintenance.
    I’m a very happy owner of a 39 with twin Cats. Never been a problem with spares or maintenance. Quite a lot I do myself, specialist stuff I get a good technician in.

  2. #12
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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    Quote Originally Posted by rafiki_ View Post
    I’m a very happy owner of a 39 with twin Cats. Never been a problem with spares or maintenance. Quite a lot I do myself, specialist stuff I get a good technician in.
    Thanks for the feedback Rafiki

  3. #13
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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    Hi - I've got a list of half a dozen prospects, scattered across the UK, France and Spain.

    My standard questions to sellers are can you provide :
    - Proof that VAT was paid?
    - The original builders certificate?
    - The Bills of Sale?

    What service history can does the boat have ?
    When was the boat last anti-fouled?
    When were the anodes last changed?
    When was the boat last surveyed? Is this available?
    Have there been any accidents / insurance claims?

    My experience is that sellers/ brokers have rose tinted glasses when it comes to the condition of their boats. Is there anything else I should be asking to avoid spending the summer driving around looking at lemons?

    DW

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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    You’ll find the Europeans are less obsessed with VAT and original invoices than we are.
    Many have compulsory registration schemes which detail vat status etc, so you may need to be flexible a bit and get motorised copies of registration certs so you can demonstrate vat status when you sell (assuming it’s to another Brit).

    Depending on age, builders certificate should be present.

    Again a bill of sale is a very UK thing. Boats under formal registration will often have the previous owners or transaction history noted on the registration - this is true for France and Spain and I think also Italy.

    I don’t have a builders certificate (didn’t exist in 94) or original invoice. I do have copies of the french registration, the second owners import invoice and a certificate stamped and marked TVA aquitte so that’s good enough for me. Never in 15 years of owning boats and taking them abroad have I ever been asked to prove VAT status, even by the Greeks (and they want to see everything)
    Last edited by Whitelighter; 21-04-19 at 12:14.
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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    Last surveyed is irrelevant. Last thing you want to do is rely on a survey given by the owner. Totally pointless.

    I’d add to you list ‘does everything on board work/function as it should’
    Generator may well be present, but does it work. Ditto AC etc
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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitelighter View Post
    I don’t have a builders certificate (didn’t exist in 94) or original invoice. I do have copies of the french registration, the second owners import invoice and a certificate stamped and marked TVA aquitte so that’s good enough for me.
    J, I fully agree that what you've got is more than enough to not lose any sleep.
    That said, just FYI, during my boat search I came across a 1992 Ferretti whose maniac owner managed to get from the factory a notarized copy of the original invoice signed by Alessandro (Norberto's brother), issued to the first owner.
    He got that in 2013, and while I can't swear that they are still willing to provide such service to owners of their "old" boats, you might try to drop them an email, if you fancy the idea of adding it to your boat doc folder.
    I wouldn't go as far as asking a notarized copy anyway, because it's neither worth the cost nor the hassle, imho.
    But maybe if you just send them a proof that you are the current owner, they don't mind scanning and sending you the original invoice...

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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    If a boat has been on the Spanish 7th list (privately owned boats) it HAS to be VAT paid and this will be recorded in great detail on the Spanish registry documents - so really easy. It will also list previous owners etc too. If the boat has been on the 6th list for business/charter boats VAT has not been paid, however the payable VAT is worked out in a rather bizarre (there is a list with valuation ranges) but owner beneficial basis. So don't discount non vat paid boats in Spain - could be a bargain, just pay the vat in Spain not the UK.

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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    Quote Originally Posted by kashurst View Post
    If a boat has been on the Spanish 7th list (privately owned boats) it HAS to be VAT paid and this will be recorded in great detail on the Spanish registry documents - so really easy. It will also list previous owners etc too. If the boat has been on the 6th list for business/charter boats VAT has not been paid, however the payable VAT is worked out in a rather bizarre (there is a list with valuation ranges) but owner beneficial basis. So don't discount non vat paid boats in Spain - could be a bargain, just pay the vat in Spain not the UK.
    Exactly. Which is why the idea that you would keep some bit of paper printed by a dealer from 10 years ago that show he CHARGED VAT (not that it was paid) so many EU owners/brokers find completely laughable.
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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    We wanted a rod an 38 but later ones are ips and we wanted shafts

  10. #20
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    Default Re: Wanted - 38' Flybridge

    thanks - for the advice.

    I'm a little bit hazy about what I would need for, each jurisdiction if I was to bring the boat back to the UK and want to sell it, but feel optimistic this can be resolved with some professional advice at the time

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