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    Default Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    Looking to change our yacht, so not just dreaming here.
    Your experience here might help us towards a realistic shortlist.
    But for this discussion, if you will indulge me, is targeted not about practicality, but on performance.

    Looking for a performance cruiser, around 33ft, around £25k.
    'Strong' brand, quick and enjoyable yet relatively viceless, deep groove, good to windward, layout good for single handed.
    We could sacrifice some space, but a decent aft cabin is important, not quarter berth(s).
    The target is: smile on your face cruising, but with potential for 2-hand JOG, fun but not winning performance.

    Thinking Dehler 34 VdS era.
    We are fond of the looks of the 'classic' IOR styled yachts, but not the super-pinched sterns.

    So the question is, in real world fast cruising terms, would a good 1990's yacht be noticeably slow compared with 2000's cruisers.
    In our YC, a good benchmark might be the Ben323 (outside the price range ofcourse).

    Are the performance numbers helpful?
    The Dehler is derived from the DB1/DB2 hull. SA/D 20.3 (Topp). L/D 195.
    Ben 323 derived from the Figaro hull. SA/D 19.6. L/D 167.

    Will the Dehler have similar real world performance or not?
    Upwind / Downwind?
    Light winds / 20kt winds?
    Stability downwind, Ease of trim, to windward in Solent chop?

    And ofcourse, what other yachts to consider?
    Elan 33?
    Maxi 999?
    Dufour 32?
    Centaur CR1826.
    The ONE thing I know about sailing: there is always more to learn...

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    photodog is offline Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthorpe
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    Default Re: Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    Well, can’t comment too much on the dehler, other than to say I would have one myself if in that market.

    For 25kthough your pushing it...

    I would take the dufour 32 off the list if you want something at the preformance end. Nice boat, good small cruiser... but not a scratch on the dehler.

    At the price your thinking I would add three..

    Mg335
    Beneteau first 35s
    Westerly storm.

    And a x99.


    Sorry, that’s 4

    But of all of those, I would still take the dehler btw...

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    Default Re: Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    Westerly Centaur or Anderson 22.

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    photodog is offline Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthorpe
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    Default Re: Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_sayin' View Post
    Westerly Centaur or Anderson 22.
    Well, the Anderson is such an odvious choice, surely he would already have it on his list?

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    Default Re: Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    Nothing wrong with the Dehler in itself, but looking at it it will have a shorter waterline than modern boats, so its strength will be in windward work. If your cruising is likely to be more general and include a lot of offwind sailing and motoring you might prefer a boat with 'longer legs'.
    Far away is near at hand in images of elsewhere

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    Default Re: Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    A bit higher than you price range but I sailed and raced on on a Dehler 35 CWS not to everyones tastes but quick enough.

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    Default Re: Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    We had 15 wonderful years sailing an Etap 35i, this is her, Galadriel, do though ignore what Dick says about the aft cabin, the inner berth is a bit of a squeeze but as I said 15 years......

    https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/revi...views/etap-35i

    PS we miss here terribly, but life goes on.
    'The will of the people' = The will of a few fanatics who have duped the unsuspecting.

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    Default Re: Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    Dehler 34's are nippy boats, I don't think they can be compared to Beneteau 323's (unless I am thinking of completely different boats, which is quite possible).
    Isn't the Bene AKA the Oceanis? It would not be many folks first choice for a racing steed. Anyroad.

    Here is an off the wall idea:



    ****https://boats-from.co.uk/not-specifi...ct-sale-113379******

    Out of the price bracket normally though I see there are some 333's available in the eastern Med, as prices drift down.




    **** I thought there was something odd and familiar about this site. Ignore it, it has been reported before and is a scam, the whole site is dodgy.
    Last edited by doug748; 11-05-19 at 20:32. Reason: **** PS

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    Default Re: Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    Haven’t sailed the Dehler but the Elan 333 is a superb boat - fast, seaworthy and great interior. Definitely worth a look

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    Default Re: Dehler 34 VdS vs ??? - performance cruising

    First 345 is a good and quick boat. We had one for a few years and were surprised by it's mix of comfort and race-pace.

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