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  1. #41
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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by capnsensible View Post
    Yum yum Richard, looking forward to this one!
    I sailed out of the river between Isla Canela and Isla Christina in Spain this morning. Downwind, headsail only, Good Twenty knots of breeze. Got weird looks but only sailed by the Lee for a few minutes at a time. No pole. Wouldn't it be great to discover a crossing situation with a risk of collision that really has happened?

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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    My head hurts. Above my pay grade.
    Imagine all the people,

    Living life in peace.


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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by capnsensible View Post
    Imagine all the people,

    Living life in peace.

    Are you a dreamer?

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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by matt1 View Post
    This is fun...and continuing the theme....who gives way in this situation and does the headsail in Posn A make any difference?
    Does it have a fractional or masthead rig

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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by bedouin View Post
    Does it have a fractional or masthead rig
    Size of sail only matters if she's square-rigged

    Otherwise it's "the mainsail" regardless of their relative sizes.

    Pete

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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles Wader View Post
    Are you a dreamer?
    He's not the only one
    Someone more informed will come along any minute

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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by dolabriform View Post
    Hi All

    I had a situation the other day where I was close hauled on port tack, with a boat approaching at an approximate right angle from starboard who was reaching on a port tack.

    My reading of the situation was that we were both on the same tack and as she was the windward boat she should be the give way vessel. But she stood on, made no alteration to course and we were forced to tack away and then tack back around the back of her onto our original course.

    My reading of this is based on rule 12, not on rule 15 ( crossing vessels ). I am right in my analysis?

    Thanks
    The big question is 'How did this situation arise?'

    Colregs are all very unambiguous when two vessels appear to each other from over the horizon.

    In everyday coastal situations, it's quite common for the boat who thinks he is stand on to be the keep clear boat, because he should have been keeping clear even before he took notice of the other vessel.

    The racing rules are very clear about 'acquiring right of way' and how you may change course when it might affect another boat. You can't do that in colregs.
    Also in colregs, when you are close hauled, it is not explicit that you are allowed to luff up when the wind lifts, or even bear off when you are headed by a gust.

    Then there's the possibility of the other boat being required to keep clear of a third boat....

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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by dolabriform View Post
    Are you aware that you have just hit the nail on the head with what's wrong with my description?

    (* Co-codomol does not seem to help my brain work )
    Wishing you a speedy recovery from this nasty spring virus.

    Just in the off chance this applies, for it's quite a strong drug:

    https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/co-codamol-for-adults/

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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    Wishing you a speedy recovery from this nasty spring virus.

    Just in the off chance this applies, for it's quite a strong drug:

    https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/co-codamol-for-adults/
    Thanks, Dentist gave me Co-codamol to take for a toothache along with the Flu.. hence my foggy state
    Someone more informed will come along any minute

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    Default Re: WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?

    Quote Originally Posted by prv View Post
    Size of sail only matters if she's square-rigged

    Otherwise it's "the mainsail" regardless of their relative sizes.

    Pete
    If she told you that she was lying

    On a masthead rig the genoa would probably be totally obscuring the main from that angle. Making it impossible to tell which tack the boat was really on so you have to assume it is starboard

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