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  1. #21
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    Default Re: SNSM lifeboat lost

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Harry View Post
    Hats off to those brave fellows. That is well above my pay rate. Its one thing to be caught out ib weather but setting out into that, is very very different
    One of things which impresses and moves me most about the Penlee disaster is that the Sennen lifeboat spent some time vainly trying to get round Land's End to assist, despite knowing that a lifeboat had already been lost. These people are not like the rest of us.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobc View Post
    Holy shit! That's nasty.
    I have never been out in anything like that, but I have noticed from photographs and videos that when things get really nasty the sea seems to lose the short range confusion which is the worst I have seen and take on a sort of smooth, oily, evil intensity. That picture shows just what I mean. Yeugh.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: SNSM lifeboat lost

    What a tragedy for the crew and their family.

    I grew up in a town which had recently experienced an RNLI lifeboat disaster, capsizing with the loss of all crew.
    The picture of the upturned (Watson) lifeboat on the beach was very gut wrenching.
    I hoped (and with improved boats came to expect) never to see another picture like that.

    PS. i gather that a number of Cruising Association members were in the area at the time, and the CA are sending a message of condolences on our behalf
    Last edited by dunedin; 08-06-19 at 12:45.

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    Default Re: SNSM lifeboat lost

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    Please, please, please can we avoid the RNLI vs SNSM arguments? I worried they might arise when I started the thread.

    Brave people died.
    No attempt was made to have an argument, I simply stated that a seven class would have been a better design for these conditions. Just as every one else here I am appalled at the loss of life but men going out in inadequate equipment is awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven Spades View Post
    No attempt was made to have an argument, I simply stated that a seven class would have been a better design for these conditions. Just as every one else here I am appalled at the loss of life but men going out in inadequate equipment is awful.
    Sure, and sorry. I wasn't trying to get at you, just hoping the old animus wouldn't recur here and now. I wonder if any lifeboat would have been adequate for those conditions, particularly if they involved, as seems possible, the boat being slammed hard into the seabed while inverted in a roll.

    By the way, as someone posted earlier, the normal lifeboat for Les Sable d'Olonne is a much bigger one, which took over three years ago from the one that was lost:



    (From http://www.lagazettedesolonnes.com/2...-d-olonne.html)
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    Default SNSM Capsize.

    Their boats aren't self-righting ... big storm off the West coast of France ... 3 lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrendanS View Post
    I don't want this to hijack a very sad thread, but I have to admit, when I read about windows being smashed in on capsize, that was my first thought too, as sad as this is. I don't know much about design of the French lifeboat fleet, but RNLI do design to try and prevent that type of occurence, and Tamar and Severn Class should be capable of withstanding capsizing and breaking windows. No RNLI lifeboats have been lost that way since Penlee in 1981
    At the time there were hurricane force winds 120kph. A breaking wave stove in the windows and the incoming water stalled the engines, according to the survivors. The three men on deck as well as one of the 4 men inside, made it back to shore by swimming. If you watch clips about rogue waves, waves such as this have an impact of many tons per m². A 50' foot wave is estimated to be 15 tons per m² whereas a rogue wave can be up to 100 tons per m². Architects designed ships to withstand a 50' wave but the relatively recent studies on rogue waves made them revise their copy.

    No lifeboat windows, imho, would withstand a direct hit from a breaking wave in the conditions that were met with.

    Personally having looked closely at the design parametres of the latest awbs they would be my preference in going to sea in very bad weather. The boat in this case, although perfectly maintained apparently dated from the mid 80's and was planned for replacement.

    PS have just seen JD's post stating that it had already been replaced and the one lost must therefore have been a reserve while the other was being maintained.
    Last edited by Sybarite; 08-06-19 at 18:05.

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    Default Re: SNSM Capsize.

    Their boats are self-righting, and there's already a thread on this at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread...-lifeboat-lost

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    Default Re: SNSM lifeboat lost

    Another photo heading out:


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    Default Re: SNSM lifeboat lost

    Quote Originally Posted by sarabande View Post
    Definitely self-righting ("autoredressable") but that relies on hull and cabin integrity. Internal flooding will compromise the self-righting capability of any lifeboat whatever its national design.

    My heart goes out to the families of the men lost, and also to all the emergency services staff, and others watching from the shore, powerless to help.



    What frightening photographs.
    Local firemen turned out to help those who had escaped by swimming. They also went into the water to assist. ("Sécourir ou mourir")

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