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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    I have a Victory snubber hook. It is almost impossible to hook it into a chain under load, which is what I wanted it for, to unload the windlass when berthed stern-to. I bent it to try to improve the problem but it was unsuccessful. I no longer use it.
    Answers to some technical queries at new website http://coxeng.co.uk

  2. #12
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    I originally used the upper one in the photo. In heavy surging conditions berthed stern-to it bent and the boat hit the wall.

    I replaced it with the one shown below, something like six years ago. It has been perfect, easy to put on, never falls off and ridiculously easy to remove, just wind in the chain a couple of feet. I cannot believe that posters who advocate rolling hitches and soft shackles have ever used a hook like this. It could not be better, in hundreds of anchor nights.



    I also have a Wichard hook with a securing pin. It is nowhere near as handy, being difficult to put on and even worse to take off.
    Last edited by vyv_cox; 14-06-19 at 09:34.
    Answers to some technical queries at new website http://coxeng.co.uk

  3. #13
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    Quote Originally Posted by vyv_cox View Post
    I originally used the upper one in the photo. In heavy surging conditions berthed stern-to it bent and the boat hit the wall.

    I replaced it with the one shown below, something like six years ago. It has been perfect, easy to put on, never falls off and ridiculously easy to remove, just wind in the chain a couple of feet. I cannot believe that posters who advocate rolling hitches and soft shackles have ever used a hook like this. It could not be better, in hundreds of anchor nights.

    https://photobucket.com/share/links?...t%3D4%26o%3D97

    I also have a Wichard hook with a securing pin. It is nowhere near as handy, being difficult to put on and even worse to take off.
    I use a Wichard type with a spring loaded securing pin which is easy to put on but can be a pain to take off. I once removed the pin which converted it to one like your bottom photo but it tends to fall off when you are lowering the chain so I replaced the pin. Access under the trampoline is rather problematic on my cat.

    Richard

  4. #14
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    A long time ago I had spent a few days in the spritsail barge "Reminder ".

    If I remember correctly, she had a simple two-pronged hook called a "dog" forged out of steel plate and attached to a short length of chain secured to a strong point. It was used to hold the chain outboard of the windlass when the chain was "fleeted" along the windlas drum; as it had to be after every few turns of the windlass.

    I can't find a picture of this dog but it was very simple and could easily be made from a piece of steel plate by any blacksmith or steel fabricator, or amateur with a means of heating it sufficiently to be able to bend the fingers.

    Attached to a snubber rope it would do exactly what the Victory hook does.
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  5. #15
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    Vyv, Your top hook, sort of made out of wire - I bent easily in testing (and would never use one again). Vyv and Richard - I hankered after the Witchard hook - Witchard have such a good reputation. The securing pin was a devil to operate with cold wet fingers so we added a bigger 'loop' of cord (which was successful) - but the pin bent. I wa suggested - use 'hard, drawn' wire but sourcing it was too difficult

    I've made my own now (a bit too focussed at multihull) and going through developmental stages

    Vyv - I agree with your comment on hook vs hitches and soft shackles - we find hooks easier (and there are a number of good hooks) but it might depend on space (and dexterity) to attach.

    Jonathan
    Last edited by Neeves; 14-06-19 at 18:54.

  6. #16
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    Quote Originally Posted by vyv_cox View Post
    I originally used the upper one in the photo. In heavy surging conditions berthed stern-to it bent and the boat hit the wall.

    I replaced it with the one shown below, something like six years ago. It has been perfect, easy to put on, never falls off and ridiculously easy to remove, just wind in the chain a couple of feet. I cannot believe that posters who advocate rolling hitches and soft shackles have ever used a hook like this. It could not be better, in hundreds of anchor nights.



    I also have a Wichard hook with a securing pin. It is nowhere near as handy, being difficult to put on and even worse to take off.
    Have you ever anchored in shallow places where it will chronically lie on the bottom in light/zero winds (catamarans use bridles and anchor shallow sometimes--no sense in telling us to shorten up)? I've never found a hook that would not come after lying in the mud for a while. Not every time, but one day in 5. Even the non-locking Mantus hook will come off.

    After having the hook come off in this manner several times, it is easy to lose interested in non-locking hooks. Remember that there is no lazy loop to weight it.
    Last edited by thinwater; 14-06-19 at 18:53.

  7. #17
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    It is easy to make a lock for many common designs of hook. No need to throw the hook away

    Jonathan

  8. #18
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    Quote Originally Posted by thinwater View Post
    Have you ever anchored in shallow places where it will chronically lie on the bottom in light/zero winds (catamarans use bridles and anchor shallow sometimes--no sense in telling us to shorten up)? I've never found a hook that would not come after lying in the mud for a while. Not every time, but one day in 5. Even the non-locking Mantus hook will come off.

    After having the hook come off in this manner several times, it is easy to lose interested in non-locking hooks. Remember that there is no lazy loop to weight it.
    We typically anchor in shallower water than many would choose, drawing only 1.4 metres (4 ft 6 ins). But I never allow the snubber hook to touch the seabed for exactly that reason. If I need more snubber length I take the line back to the midships cleat.
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  9. #19
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    Hook lock gate

    https://www.practical-sailor.com/iss...d_12156-1.html

    Picture 5 in the breakout box. Simple, notched, stainless plate drilled for the clevis pin, you can flick it to lock with your thumb when holding the hook. I could be made from a polymer film - but I'm not sure what polymer.

    Jonathan

  10. #20
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    Default Re: Victory Chain Hook

    Quote Originally Posted by thinwater View Post
    Google!
    https://victory-products.com/products/ch2303

    There are a bunch or requirements of a good attachment, for me:
    * Can attach or remove from tight chain.
    * Match working load of snubber (may be less than chain WL).
    * Locking.

    I would like:
    * One hand.
    * Will feed over roller.

    I've never found a product that does all of these. It think the victory hook may fail three (not locking, can't remove from tight chain, will fall off going over roller). I like locking hooks that I can do with one hand, but none feed easily over a roller. I like soft shackles, but they take two hands. A prusik sling does all of these and is dead cheap to replace.

    Sometimes I use a locking hook, sometimes a soft shackle, and sometimes a pruisk sling.
    not true on the first two counts!

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