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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by maxi77 View Post
    Many of the RN 32 ft motor cutters back in the 60s were fitted with Kitchen gear and we all had to qualify handling them. Took a bit of getting used to but it was very effective. In the fleet they were mainly used to support diving, including dockyard hard had divers.
    Do you happen to recall if the steering wheel self centered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
    The drag of the Kitchen system must have been immense, though in the right applications I can see it being useful.
    Indeed, I think so. My boat had a long history on the Clyde as a Hydrographic survey boat, mounted with cameras and echosounder stuff, they used to bimble up and down in a grid and this rudder meant she could turn on the spot, I suppose that was useful to them.

  2. #22
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Wow. This brings back memories! As a 15 year old (1968) I had a summer job on one of the Iona ferries which had a Kitchen rudder. It was great for coming alongside the jetty and yes it self centred against quite a hefty spring as I recall.
    I have absolutely nothing to say about anchors.

  3. #23
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
    It's very much like the thrust reverser ' clamshells or buckets ' used by jet fighters like the Viggen and Tornado, though they of course only work in reverse not thrust vectoring.
    Yes, or indeed the reverser bucket on a marine jet drive, which would seem to have a lot in common with the Kitchen gear in terms of its effects. You can put a jet bucket halfway down and send equal amounts of water forwards and backwards, driving the boat nowhere. Then swivel the jet nozzle within the bucket and push the stern sideways, just like that classic launch in the video.

    With the jet, though, the bucket lifts up into the lee of the transom when you're going forwards, reducing the drag.

    Pete

  4. #24
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    We had a 32 ft cutter with one down Leigh Old town back in the early 80's, i did some planking repairs on her. Like most she was burned a few years later & all the kitchen gear run in down the scrap yard.

  5. #25
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by myquest View Post
    and yes it self centred against quite a hefty spring as I recall.
    Thanks, very helpful.

    As an aside, last night I had a little play, set the rudder at neutral, started engine, put the gearbox in fwd and had a little wind of the handle each way to see what happened. I think I now better understand how to drive it.

  6. #26
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by burgundyben View Post
    Do you happen to recall if the steering wheel self centered?
    Tiller steered and to be honest I can't remember it was a long time ago but my gut feeling was that it was not self centring but I could be wrong
    Peter

  7. #27
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    I did get in touch with the owner of Rabelle, the lovely boat shown in the youtube clip, via facebook, but comms were a bit tricky due to the language gap.

    I had also written to an email address of someone I don't know, that I believe has the same system. Today I got his amazing response! Its a full description of how to operate it and confirms what I realised this week.

    The self centering is correct, I just need practice!

  8. #28
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    I am now getting the hang of the Kitchen rudder and its bloody brilliant!

  9. #29
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    I always thought it was Kitchener not Kitchen.
    Life is too short to drink bad wine.

  10. #30
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk View Post
    I always thought it was Kitchener not Kitchen.
    You thought wrong I'm afraid!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_rudder

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