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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by Poignard View Post
    Was I right to say the engine didn't need to have a reversing gearbox?
    Yes, the 'buckets' directed the flow of water for ahead and astern. Could get quite energetic on the rotation wheel in more interesting mooring situations.

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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by capnsensible View Post
    Yes, the 'buckets' directed the flow of water for ahead and astern. Could get quite energetic on the rotation wheel in more interesting mooring situations.
    Yes, very low geared control. To see them coming alongside the Med ladder in difficult conditions was entertaining (although not for the coxswain)
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Well it seems that a Kitchen rudder has advantages .

    https://youtu.be/vi0Sdkbooek
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilgediver View Post
    Well it seems that a Kitchen rudder has advantages .

    https://youtu.be/vi0Sdkbooek
    I'm green with envy. I wonder if I could get one for my Twister?
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by Poignard View Post
    Yes, very low geared control. To see them coming alongside the Med ladder in difficult conditions was entertaining (although not for the coxswain)
    Yes, lots of winding!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilgediver View Post
    Well it seems that a Kitchen rudder has advantages .

    https://youtu.be/vi0Sdkbooek
    Lovely that vid, watched it many times.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poignard View Post
    I'm green with envy. I wonder if I could get one for my Twister?
    So far I have only driven the boat 3 times, from launch at Swanwick, to Yarmouth, then a couple of day trips, Keyhaven and Lymington. I can make the boat manouvre like that, but need more practice.

    Just struck me watching that (for the 20th time! I'm a slow learner), I'm not using mine right! What I should be doing, is setting the rudder in neutral, then starting engine, putting the engine in ahead, boat won't move, then I can control ahead/astern with much less winding from the neutral position, and steer with the fwd wheel.

    ETA - I wanted one of these boats, I only know of 4 of them, and this one was for sale, it has its issues, but it was cheap. Its the only one with Kitchen gear So I bought it. I like having the Kitchen Rudder, I like its quirky big chunky bronze engineering, but its loads of drag. When I come to do a major refit, I can't help but think I would be better off with a girt big spade rudder and a bow and stern thruster. Technology has moved on and Kitchen Rudders aren't hugely popular which tells a story!
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    BB, do your rudder shells articulate like this ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-tpFo9C4zE


    Does the 'spring' feeling take place only when the prop is turning, in which case it might be a function of the hydrodynamics.
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Quote Originally Posted by sarabande View Post
    BB, do your rudder shells articulate like this ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-tpFo9C4zE


    Does the 'spring' feeling take place only when the prop is turning, in which case it might be a function of the hydrodynamics.
    Yes, mine is an identical rudder to that video.

    Good point, but no, even ashore the 'spring self centering' is evident.

  8. #18
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    I remember a dive boat out of Shoreham had that system. One of the cups fell off when approaching the Quay and it carried away the entire News of the World angling competition. Must have been in the sixties I think.

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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    Many of the RN 32 ft motor cutters back in the 60s were fitted with Kitchen gear and we all had to qualify handling them. Took a bit of getting used to but it was very effective. In the fleet they were mainly used to support diving, including dockyard hard hat divers.
    Last edited by maxi77; 26-06-19 at 16:25.
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    Default Re: Wright & Beyer Kitchen Rudder

    I'd never heard of this system, so thankyou.

    It's very much like the thrust reverser ' clamshells or buckets ' used by jet fighters like the Viggen and Tornado, though they of course only work in reverse not thrust vectoring.

    The drag of the Kitchen system must have been immense, though in the right applications I can see it being useful.
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