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  1. #411
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Quote Originally Posted by PabloPicasso View Post
    Yep
    That's one of the points that I made. No answer to that and other specific questions, just the standard response letter.

  2. #412
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    A bit of a drift:-
    I URGE you all to get a copy of today's Daily Mail and look at the "Common Sense thrown Overboard" article on pages 38 & 39.
    If this is the way the MCA operate then we are all "doomed".
    Complete and utter nonsense in response to experienced and dedicated coastguards using their initiative, but not following the MCA rules.
    Sadly , the article is far too long to include here.

    PLEASE read it, and consider it when anyone is yet to respond to the MCA MGNs.
    Kay Sarah Sarah
    57°51.42' N 5°29.44' W

  3. #413
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    Chicken Licken for lunch anyone?

    Im not going to keep reposting the response from the 'MCA' or as what really happens, some bloke in an office answering with the exact state of whats happening.

    But its as extant as the MGN's that go back more than 30 years. They werent born yesterday.......although some people seem to think they were!

    So, then, people are quite rightly responding, as asked, to a consultation and are going bonkers at some notion the sky is gonna fall in. Taking a first draaft and saying its all wrong and being given the chance to correct that.

    Yet when you get the direct absolutely defining answer from the office that is tasked with writing the thing in the first place, the squealing goes on! Do you guys do that to absolutely every question you ask????

    Im starting to feel like an onwatch supervisor at a Chernobyl reactor with the exception being that he was wrong.....

  4. #414
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Wilson View Post
    A bit of a drift:-
    I URGE you all to get a copy of today's Daily Mail and look at the "Common Sense thrown Overboard" article on pages 38 & 39.
    If this is the way the MCA operate then we are all "doomed".
    Complete and utter nonsense in response to experienced and dedicated coastguards using their initiative, but not following the MCA rules.
    Sadly , the article is far too long to include here.

    PLEASE read it, and consider it when anyone is yet to respond to the MCA MGNs.
    If you google it comes up on pressreader

  5. #415
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Quote Originally Posted by capnsensible View Post
    Chicken Licken for lunch anyone?

    Im not going to keep reposting the response from the 'MCA' or as what really happens, some bloke in an office answering with the exact state of whats happening.

    But its as extant as the MGN's that go back more than 30 years. They werent born yesterday.......although some people seem to think they were!

    So, then, people are quite rightly responding, as asked, to a consultation and are going bonkers at some notion the sky is gonna fall in. Taking a first draaft and saying its all wrong and being given the chance to correct that.

    Yet when you get the direct absolutely defining answer from the office that is tasked with writing the thing in the first place, the squealing goes on! Do you guys do that to absolutely every question you ask????

    Im starting to feel like an onwatch supervisor at a Chernobyl reactor with the exception being that he was wrong.....
    Hang on a minute. MGNs have indeed been around for a long time in the merchant shipping, fishing and small commercial craft sectors. You get an MGN and the MSN making it mandatory follows later.

    There have never been MSNs, MGNs or even MINs applying to the private pleasure vessel sector under 13.7 metres Register length before now

    My big Nic was owned by Her Majesty and her Certificate of Registration shows her length as 13.7 metres. Her actual length is 16.7 metres. Someone in the Forces had thought about keeping the MCA out.

  6. #416
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    Ok lets take an example, MGN 33 (M+F) that was issued I August 1997.

    MGN 33 (M+F) Sewage systems on ships: associated hazards, installation and maintenance

    Which parts of it, if any, have been put into an MSN to make it mandatory? As we all know, as its stands, it is simply guidance.

    Nic 55's have to be coded for Service use although my weeks on them was prior to the Marchioness disaster on the Thames that effectively drove the introduction of the Small Commercial Vessel code of practice. Not a lot of people know that. Drift.

    Think of all the money the Queen saved by a typo on the registration document!

  7. #417
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Choose your poison chaps: do nothing and hope for the best, or plan for the worst and do something.

  8. #418
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisherman View Post
    Choose your poison chaps: do nothing and hope for the best, or plan for the worst and do something.
    Exactly!

    The "it's not a problem, it won't be a problem"
    approach is all well and good right up to the point when it DOES become a problem

    And from long, and occasionally bitter, experience of dealing with officialdom, I've lost count of the times when something that was "just guidance" became compulsory by one means or another in time

    Now to be fair, most of the time the guidance was good and only a brain dead moron would have ignored it anyway but this guidance is most definitely NOT good and if, however unlikely some may think it to be, it became effectively enshrined in law by precedent or a condition of insurance it would be a massive problem

    So whilst it isn't time to press the panic button, it most definitely IS time to nip it in the bud because once the MGNs have been issued getting them changed will be next to impossible

  9. #419
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bru View Post
    Exactly!

    The "it's not a problem, it won't be a problem"
    approach is all well and good right up to the point when it DOES become a problem

    And from long, and occasionally bitter, experience of dealing with officialdom, I've lost count of the times when something that was "just guidance" became compulsory by one means or another in time

    Now to be fair, most of the time the guidance was good and only a brain dead moron would have ignored it anyway but this guidance is most definitely NOT good and if, however unlikely some may think it to be, it became effectively enshrined in law by precedent or a condition of insurance it would be a massive problem

    So whilst it isn't time to press the panic button, it most definitely IS time to nip it in the bud because once the MGNs have been issued getting them changed will be next to impossible
    +1

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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Quote Originally Posted by fisherman View Post
    Choose your poison chaps: do nothing and hope for the best, or plan for the worst and do something.
    How about 'respond to the consultation offer?'

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