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  1. #21
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Col View Post
    I wonder what would qualify a Marine Professional? Would such a person need something similar to what gas people have in CORGI but for boats and not gas? I can imagine a whole industry forming out of implementing Marine Professionals.
    Why would qualifications work or help?

    Had the kitchen redone, fitter says must have a qualified electrician, okay, afterwards I have switches now wired wrong and bare wires hanging. Chap comes to fit new shower room, must have qualified plumber to do mods, end up with hot out of cold taps and cold out of hot, cistern is now on hot water, sink is correct but don't ask about the kitchen. I fitted the originals 20 years ago, never a problem, but then I did a old type engineering apprenticeship.

    Brian
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  2. #22
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    [QUOTE=rotrax;6827070]In almost the first few words of the CONSULTATION document it says one of the responses they are looking for is if their ideas are " Realistic to carry out in practice "

    So, just a consultation document and they have asked recipricants to answer the above question.

    So, perhaps a trifle early to start castigating the RYA for being slow

    And, also perhaps not time to worry about it becoming enshrined legislation.

    They cant get rid of patently unsafe 'slumboats' on the Thames-what chance policeing DIY on the thousands of leisure boats in use in the UK.

    If we had a US style para military high personel and vessels Coastguard there might be a chance of enforcement, but as it stands the resources are not in place.[/QUOTE True, but boatyards/marinas could refuse to accommodate boats that have not had all maintenance carried out by their “qualified” staff. A nice captive profit source and basis for expansion. I shall respond along the lines that owners have an obligation to carry out any recommendations of insurance surveys, using “qualified professionals” where appropriate (e.g standing rigging replacement needing specialist tools, liferaft servicing etc.)), but not for routine tasks such as engine oil changes, winch servicing, antifouling and so on.
    I shall also add that before producing this guidance they would be better advised to tackle the “lobster pot” problem which contributes to so many needs for rescue.

  3. #23
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Quote Originally Posted by rotrax View Post
    In almost the first few words of the CONSULTATION document it says one of the responses they are looking for is if their ideas are " Realistic to carry out in practice "

    So, just a consultation document and they have asked recipricants to answer the above question.

    So, perhaps a trifle early to start castigating the RYA for being slow

    And, also perhaps not time to worry about it becoming enshrined legislation.
    No, now is EXACTLY the time to worry about it becoming enshrined! Easier to correct it before it happens! And this is now half way through it's consultation period and not a peep from the RYA!!!!

    If we had a US style para military high personel and vessels Coastguard there might be a chance of enforcement, but as it stands the resources are not in place.
    Let's get this right ... so as all the marinas are being bought up by larger and larger groups, many with embedded maintenance facilities ... all it needs then is "all work done on boats in the marina must be carried out in accordance the MCGA guidelines" and there you are, no more working on your own boat, unless you happen to be a 'Marine Professional' ... notice that it does NOT say "or other competent person" ... and then you have no where else to go ...
    Last edited by rszemeti; 26-06-19 at 11:41.

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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Quote Originally Posted by rszemeti View Post
    No, now is EXACTLY the time to worry about it becoming enshrined! Easier to correct it before it happens! And this is now half way through it's consultation period and not a peep from the RYA!!!!



    Let's get this right ... so as all the marinas are being bought up by larger and larger groups, many with embedded maintenance facilities ... all it needs then is "all work done on boats in the marina must be carried out in accordance the MCGA guidelines" and there you are, no more working on your own boat, unless you happen to be a 'Marine Professional' ... notice that it does NOT say "or other competent person" ... and then you have no where else to go ...
    But no one knows what these guidelines may-or indeed may not-be. They will be decided after the consultation resonses have been looked at.

    Has anyone approached the RYA to ask what is their response to this consultation document? Or the CA?

    No-I thought as much.

    But you can be sure they will respond within the time frame required.

  5. #25
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    I think some contributers are doing an injustice to marine professionals ie those who make their living from working on our boats. I've always (with one exception) been satisfied with the work carried out both in quality and charges. The work has been done to a standard equal to or better than I could do myself and always much quicker.
    This new proposal would be impossible to police - who would know what winter maintenance is carried out in my garden?

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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    You need to be on the ball. Some times someone just says some words, like "This work should be done by a professional/registered xxx" and next thing the insurance co says "What a good idea" and you are stuffed. The aforementioned MCA cert became one such insurance requirement for FVs, along with crew certs for survival, firefighting, first aid and 'safety awareness' whatever that turned out to be. Every new cert became an insurance item. The MCA cert grew out of the relatively simple registration procedure of the 70s, and now encompasses construction to such an extent that it is sometimes not possible to register a boat at all.
    Example, fisherman has extended illness, boat falls off the register. Applies to register it, not up to spec, eg Rails must be xx mts high "But if we lift the cod end that high we'll capsize"
    "Tough"
    This is an established vessel which fished safely for many years.
    A newer reg says that GRP hulls must have top hat frames fitted while in the mould, clearly impossible to comply with except for a new build.
    You have all this to look forward to, and I've been warning you on here for 14 years. The MCA is looking for jobs for the boys.

  7. #27
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    But if itís written in as Law then doing a bit of engine upkeep in the privacy of your boat would make you into a criminal!
    I have seen it. In Spain,official inspections at your cost,so called marine surveyors,once it starts itís never ending and yachtsmen are hardly a section of society that could organize a march to protect its rights.
    Last edited by Wansworth; 26-06-19 at 12:54.

  8. #28
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Quote Originally Posted by rszemeti View Post
    If you have not seen this consultation already, I suggest you read the documents and respond.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...-safety-at-sea

    Effectively, many of the clauses woudl see the end of owner maintenance on pleasure craft.

    eg:



    and ...



    etc etc ..
    Thanks for the heads-up, I'll read with interest. Who was it said something to the effect that "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance" ?? Never a truer word spoken.

  9. #29
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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Interestingly enough I have been trying to find a marine professional to get my injector pump fixed. The 2 associated with the marina declined saying they didn't feel confident in their ability to do the job. A company I emailed never replied and a professional recommended to me on this forum didn't reply to my email or phone message. I am now doing it myself. Personally I enjoy doing my own maintenance and don't see how a prohibition could be policed.

    Martin

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    Default Re: The end of owner maintenance ...

    Quote Originally Posted by martinriches View Post
    Interestingly enough I have been trying to find a marine professional to get my injector pump fixed. The 2 associated with the marina declined saying they didn't feel confident in their ability to do the job. A company I emailed never replied and a professional recommended to me on this forum didn't reply to my email or phone message. I am now doing it myself. Personally I enjoy doing my own maintenance and don't see how a prohibition could be policed.

    Martin
    If it were to happen, I suspect policing would come through insurance companies insisting on a professionally issued paper trail in the event of any claim. If that were the case, I would envisage obtaining some paperwork of my own to enable me to be eligible to work on my own boat. I already have an MCA recognised engineering qualification, so I may already be able to argue that I am qualified. Personally I cannot see this getting off the ground. It could price many people out of boating.
    If found in the Brexit forum, please return to the real world.

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