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  1. #1
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    Default Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Hi there – I am a long time reader of this forum. Great source of information – thank you.

    I am hoping to buy a boat in the med and am looking for some help. We are thinking of a 40-45 Ben/Jenn in Greece or Croatia with a view to have her ready to go next summer. We are coming from Canada and are planning to travel for some boat shopping in a couple of months.

    Specifically:
    1. Boat broker recommendations in the Ionian to represent us as a buyer? I have checked out the ABYA listings and see a few but know nothing about them.
    2. Boat broker recommendations in Croatia? ABYA doesn’t list any in Croatia.
    3. Any experience with Selymar in Croatia – they seem to have a lot of listings but no website?
    4. Will a broker show you boats listed with other brokerages or only their own? Not sure how the commission systems works over there, etc…
    5. How do you recommend protecting yourself at the end of the transaction to ensure you get all the documentation you need – from what I have read, it sounds like you hand the money over prior to the seller de-registering? What happens if the seller is then slow or not motivated to de-register?

    Also, I have searched the forum and seen a few comments about brokers but I am looking to get current information, if possible.

    Thank you very much for your assistance.

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    Default Re: Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Apollo Duck is a good place to start https://www.apolloduck.com/

    AVOID Greg Yachts in Greece; http://www.greg-yachts.com/. The guy is a schyster, many of the boats on his website aren't brokered with him, some aren't even for sale!
    Mostly harmless....

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    Default Re: Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cross View Post
    Apollo Duck is a good place to start https://www.apolloduck.com/

    AVOID Greg Yachts in Greece; http://www.greg-yachts.com/. The guy is a schyster, many of the boats on his website aren't brokered with him, some aren't even for sale!
    This is very true, and also beware of most in the Lefkas area too, they have very similar way to the above.
    I feel you will be very disappointed with their inept ways, the contempt for you as a customer and you will wonder how they stay in business.
    IMHO. Try and buy private.

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    Default Re: Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Can't help with Croatia, but we have some positive experience of Williams & Smithells in Greece
    ( https://www.williamsandsmithells.com). They are based in the UK but have an office in Lefkas, and an agent based in Leros Marina. They are selling our Nauticat 35, which I appreciate isn't what you are looking for, but we have found them efficient and knowledgeable about the Greek market.

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    Default Re: Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Following with interest; we have just commenced our search for a boat (likely Croatia, Greece as second choice) and had our first viewing and additionally contact with a few other brokers. So far I have found very few that don't have some horror story written somewhere, yet offset by glowing recommendations elsewhere. It's a nightmare! I was pleasantly surprised to find that the standard contract one broker was used was written in English (and that was the language of the contract not just a translation) but under Croatian law and jurisdiction, which is understandable.

    We also had mixed experiences with setting up a viewing and some poor admin around scheduling which really put us off one brokerage, yet the broker who actually showed us the boat was great; a minefield!

    Interested in suggestions to buy private - I question how this works in terms of handling paperwork etc; presumably you'd avoid the broker but need someone to act as agent to navigate the de-registering/any VAT or tax filings etc (assuming re-flagging necessary)?

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    Default Re: Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Bellacruiser View Post
    Interested in suggestions to buy private - I question how this works in terms of handling paperwork etc; presumably you'd avoid the broker but need someone to act as agent to navigate the de-registering/any VAT or tax filings etc (assuming re-flagging necessary)?
    The key things to be fully satisfied on when buying private are:

    a) The seller actually owns the vessel

    b) There are no outstanding mortgages or liens against the vessel

    c) If you plan to keep here in the EU, you want proof of VAT having been paid

    d) Get a professional survey
    Mostly harmless....

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    Default Re: Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Hi ITH - who were you dealing with at W&S, was it Stephen? That is the only name I have come across.

    Glad to hear you are having success with them.

    Thank you.

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    Default Re: Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Thank you very much for all of the advice. Sounds like a very mixed bag out there, and buyer beware.

    I am also curious about the process of dealing with the paperwork privately. It sounds relatively complex logistically or is it actually straightforward.

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    Default Re: Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cross View Post
    Apollo Duck is a good place to start https://www.apolloduck.com/

    AVOID Greg Yachts in Greece; http://www.greg-yachts.com/. The guy is a schyster, many of the boats on his website aren't brokered with him, some aren't even for sale!
    Most certainly the bottom of the brokers barrel
    never confuse education with intelligence
    Sailing the Aegean

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    Default Re: Broker advice in Greece and Croatia - help please

    Quote Originally Posted by garthc View Post
    Hi there – I am a long time reader of this forum. Great source of information – thank you.

    I am hoping to buy a boat in the med and am looking for some help. We are thinking of a 40-45 Ben/Jenn in Greece or Croatia with a view to have her ready to go next summer. We are coming from Canada and are planning to travel for some boat shopping in a couple of months.

    Specifically:
    1. Boat broker recommendations in the Ionian to represent us as a buyer? I have checked out the ABYA listings and see a few but know nothing about them.
    2. Boat broker recommendations in Croatia? ABYA doesn’t list any in Croatia.
    3. Any experience with Selymar in Croatia – they seem to have a lot of listings but no website?
    4. Will a broker show you boats listed with other brokerages or only their own? Not sure how the commission systems works over there, etc…
    5. How do you recommend protecting yourself at the end of the transaction to ensure you get all the documentation you need – from what I have read, it sounds like you hand the money over prior to the seller de-registering? What happens if the seller is then slow or not motivated to de-register?

    Also, I have searched the forum and seen a few comments about brokers but I am looking to get current information, if possible.

    Thank you very much for your assistance.

    I've got 2 recommendations for you, and both are known to me, personally and I can fully recommend them:

    Corfu: http://www.pinnacleyachtsales.com You'll be talking to Colin.
    Croatia: https://www.beneteau-croatia.hr and the Boss is Emil.

    Regards.

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