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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    A lot depends on how serious you are about anchoring, if you spend nights at a time sitting out strong winds then replace the lot.
    If you just anchor for lunch breaks and occasional overnighter in calm conditions, then what you have is adequate (after taking Vyv's advice).
    If you keep your chain, the chain that can be seen in Pic 5 looks to be in fairly good nick, I would put that next to the anchor.
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  2. #12
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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    Regarding regalvinising ,i had my done a few years ago from the peeps in birmingham,sailed round the uk couple times spent 2 years(not seasons ) sailing the med none stop bar xmas and first three months this year,and still looks great,anchor 90 % of the time

  3. #13
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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    Thanks all - and Geoff thanks for the detailed info about galvanising
    Vyv had said to replace the shackles and c links. Presumably I can just replace the c links with shackles ?
    Vyv I read the article about galvanising on your website. V useful thanks. I'll see if there is somewhere in Glasgow that does galvanising. I can't see it would be economical or worth the hassle to start shipping the chain it about the country.

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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Crinan12 View Post
    Thanks all - and Geoff thanks for the detailed info about galvanising
    Vyv had said to replace the shackles and c links. Presumably I can just replace the c links with shackles ?
    Vyv I read the article about galvanising on your website. V useful thanks. I'll see if there is somewhere in Glasgow that does galvanising. I can't see it would be economical or worth the hassle to start shipping the chain it about the country.
    I think Geoff is not that far from you

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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Crinan12 View Post
    I have a 30ft 4 tonne sailing yacht ...
    I also have a 9kg anchor which i understand to be a CQR anchor ...

    ...more of an anchoring type of person than a marina person.
    ... I will be doing it a lot.
    If you want to anchor overnight, I strongly suggest you get a modern scoop-type anchor, with rollbar if you can fit one, or without if not. That means Mantus, Rocna, Manson Supreme, Spade, Vulcan (or Ultra if you find a sock with cash stuffed under the mattress). Go one size up from the recommended if you expect to be anchored in bad weather, or some recommend as big as you can reasonably fit the boat.

    If you just want to dip your toes into anchoring, have a go with the CQR at first. You can always upgrade later. While the Kobra is probably a fair bit better than the CQR, it's still an outdated design and doesn't make sense to buy new anymore - the money is better spent on one of the above. And nothing will help you justify spending money than your anchor alarm going off in the middle of the night in a sudden strong wind and you having to re-anchor in the dark because the bloody thing didn't hold or failed to reset in a change of direction

    Lastly, it's well worth the time reading this enourmous thread on CF - it has tons of pictures of various anchors and excellent advice on how to use one properly: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ng-126073.html

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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    Quote Originally Posted by scottie View Post
    I think Geoff is not that far from you
    Cumbernauld. The boss is a sailor.

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  7. #17
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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    Hello, 'crinan12'.

    There's sound advice above - Stemar and Minchsailor are about spot-on - and there's nowt wrong wi' your CQR. Like many others on here, I spent decades using them successfully and, while the New Generation Anchors are certainly better in manyt respects, they're all a d*** sight more expensive. There's room for argument over what constitutes the 'best bang per buck'.....

    Here's my tuppence worth.....

    Certainly 'deep six' those rusty shackles. As Viv Cox agrees, they are by far the most likely point of failure. Get some decent-quality replacements. As you're hand-hauling, they don't need to fit through anywhere awkward.

    Next, I'd encourage you to learn all you can about the lore of setting an anchor. It's worth it. Far too many Southern Softies believe what they've been told by the Solent Salesmen, that it's just as simple as 'putting the handbrake on'. No it ain't!! And the choice of 'where' matters a lot. So ask - sort the wheat from the chaff - and learn. It's to your advantage.

    Next, after half a lifetime believing 'the best anchor is the heaviest one I can hump about the foredeck' and that all-chain is the ONLY way to go - in my dotage I've learned better.

    You - and I - don't need all-chain. The actual mechanics of what goes on tells us - eventually, when we're willing to listen and think - that a length of chain next to the anchor followed by a good rope warp is optimal.... and especially so when you're hand-hauling the lot up. Yes, it works fine.

    So I'd recommend you aim at having a chain-rope setup. You'll thank me for it - mine's a pint - and keep your 'redundant' length of chain for use with a SECOND anchor. And warp. That's just good seamanship.

    I've anchored successfully in a number of corners the length of the West Coast, and a few other corners as well. There are places like Phuildhorain, south of Oban, that are so ploughed-up that the substrate is like Baxters Soup. Your best bet there is to tie lines to the rusty ould tractor or do a Scandinavian Moor - or go somewhere else if anything above a F3 is forecast ( it is very flat and open to the SW and W, but the pub is close by ). The best bet for that sort of really soft substrate is a Fortress anchor, which isn't cheap. Those things stick like keich to a blanket in soft stuff. They are The Best.

    I have three of them ( ? ) and my boat is similar to yours. All of them were bought real cheap, through 'For Sale' websites like the one on here. I first saw them on very expensive, no-expense-spared Oysters I was delivering, and reckoned that there must be something about them - so I checked them out. They are as good as they say - especially so when a quarter of retail!

    Don't - do not - be conned into spending good beer tokens on chi-chi posh anchoring kit when what you have is already - with a couple of simple changes - wholly adequate .

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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    Geoff declined the opportunity to sell you a new generation Scottish made and galvanised anchor, it is called Knox after the designer and is very highly thought off, have a look at the website.

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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    The photos you provide given no indication of the amount of rusted chain and the amount of good chain. Some of the chain looks very ordinary and some looks almost as if it has never been used.

    Chain appears to rust preferentially where it meets another, different ,metal - like a shackle. This is normal and one would cut those few links off and simply carry on. In your case you also have rusted shackles and the 'C' links.

    It now depends on how much good chain you have, how much is superficial corroded (and could be saved by regalvanising) and how much is corroded and eroded such that you need to dump it. File the rust off and if the metal has lost 10% of diameter - dump it (or re-use it for shore lines)

    If you have a decent length of good chain - do as Zoidberg suggests and splice on sufficient rope and use a mixed rode. If you actually have little good chain left then use it to build a second, spare rode, and invest in new chain. I vote you seriously look at 6mm - it will be adequate for your size weight of yacht and your back will than you for your investment. Keep any other short lengths of good chain - you can use them round trees or rocks for shore lines.

    You need more than one anchor - people lose anchors more frequently than you think - so you need a spare. No anchor is perfect and some do better in some seabeds than others - Zoidberg points out that Fortress reign supreme in thin mud - and that if you keep your eyes open you can buy them second hand - try eBay. Here is an article, more below, on why you might think of a Fortress:

    https://www.practical-sailor.com/iss...s_11619-1.html

    The article illustrates a number of factors, one being Fortress is good in thin mud (and that the competitive anchor makers simply prefer to not mention inadequacies ). But similarly Fortress is not much good in weed or pebbles. Its horses for courses.

    Genuine CQR's embossed 'Made in Scotland' on the shank served people for many decades and people still swear by them. By all means invest in a new anchor - but if the CQR works it can be one of your spares. If you find a genuine Bruce in a boat jumble, eBay and its the right size - think of buying it.

    Be careful of of the link provided - the photographs are excellent the comments questionable.

    If people make bold statements - ask them to quantify and justify what they say and claim - invalid results do not become more valid by constant repetition - constant repetition simply results in incorrect information being constantly repeated - take care.

    Rocna, Supreme, Knox, Spade, Kobra, Fortress all have a good reputation (and different prices) they may or may not be easily available where you are located.

    Geof, the galvanising expert, cannot be far from you, I think the factory is in Cumbernauld (and another up near Inverness). He also sells Knox anchor - an excellent product and supporting Scots industry. Most other anchors you see in chandlers are now made in China except for Spade (Tunisia) and Supreme (NZ) and Fortress USA. There is nothing wrong with product from China - if quality control is in place. Lewmar have some new steel anchors 'in the wings' maybe released at the end of the year, maybe not - they might be cheaper when first released - and if from Lewmar they should be adequate. But ring Geoff - he might, or might not, do you a deal - far flung though I am - I have tested the Knox - great product (I'd carry one - but it will not fit)

    Beware copy anchors - they often do not work as well as the originals, think copy CQRs, copy Bruce, copy Deltas. Beware, as you have alternatives, of anchors that have never been tested for holding capacity - Vulcan and Mantus. Take measured advice - people spend a lot of money on anchors - they are going to be very forgiving of their choice - they will not want to be thought of as fools. So listen to a cross section of comments.

    Jonathan

    I'm going to add some links for you

    This first one is a bit dated - but is one of the best tests and is still valid

    http://rocna.cmpgroup.net/sites/defa...ym_testing.pdf

    There are some good tests conducted by or for Voile et Voileurs and published in Yachting Monthly and slightly more recent, sorry but I thought I had provided enough

    https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/know-how-ground-tackle

    https://www.sailmagazine.com/cruisin...r-snubber-tips

    https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how...n-an-anchorage

    http://rocna.cmpgroup.net/sites/defa...ym_testing.pdf

    https://www.practical-sailor.com/iss...s_10784-1.html

    https://www.practical-sailor.com/iss...s_10981-1.html

    The above articles tend to be a bit American centric. Vyv's articles and website is much more UK focussed.

    Plenty to get your teeth into. There are many more equally valid articles by a number of authors, google will help you.

    Any questions and you simply need to ask - it might be better if they are focussed questions - start a new thread.

    Any questions - there are a range of opinions here - you will need to sort them out yourself. There is no one right answer, there is no one right rode and there is no one right anchor.

    But bear in mind - before the electric windlass and our (the public at large) greater wealth small yachts were common, mixed rodes were very common and the CQR (or even Fisherman and steel Danforth) were the only anchors. This changed in 1970 (when Bruce was introduced and 1990 when the aluminium Fortress and steel Delta came on the market - and the big change came in 2006 with that 'holding capacity test - link above. Before 2006 there were many heroic passages to far flung places - using mixed rodes and anchors that people sneer at today.

    Don't rush off and spend your money too quickly - take a moment - and few nights using as much of what you have that is safe - and then make a decision.

    Jonathan
    Last edited by Neeves; 15-07-19 at 23:29.

  10. #20
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    Default Re: Advice about my anchor and chain please - see photos

    My tuppence worth - I've got a Kobra and it's been great, it's the folding one, which I'm in the process of getting welding in a permanently open position as the bar that it folds over has come away from the stock.
    I've also just replaced our 30mtrs of chain, which was 8mm with 6mm, as it was a lot worse than yours. I was working on Vyv's advice, the percentage corrosion.
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