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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    Quote Originally Posted by andy59 View Post
    ... if you make the most of a couple of trips over to the CI's fuelling up its not to bad.
    That poses the sticky question of being caught with red diesel in your tanks and facing the same penalty as motorists caught doing so.

    4 % for you maybe. A lot more for myself. It could push my costs up closer to 15%

  2. #22
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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    I am sure this will encourage people will start to filter out the red dye and fill up their tanks via Jerry cans

  3. #23
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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    With that question in mind Bruce, does anyone know the position of the EU/UK governments on fuelling up in Guernsey/Jersey at the moment because as far as I'm aware its ok.

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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    Quote Originally Posted by andy59 View Post
    With that question in mind Bruce, does anyone know the position of the EU/UK governments on fuelling up in Guernsey/Jersey at the moment because as far as I'm aware its ok.
    No. But one of the clauses is if you have a dual leisure and commercial boat before you can use it for leisure you will be required to drain and scrub the tanks before filling with white. By inference if you get caught with red in your tanks for any reason other than commercial you will need to jump through hoops to explain why.

  5. #25
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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    Quote Originally Posted by andy59 View Post
    Berthing has gone up, insurance has gone up and maintenance has gone up. Diesel prices have varied over the last few years, up and down, and after a quick fag packet calculation I reckon I will be paying an extra 4% overall total running costs for the potential increase in duty. Prices in LYH are not bad anyway with volume discount and berth holder discount and if you make the most of a couple of trips over to the CI's fuelling up its not to bad.
    AIUI CI marine fuel is marked (and will remain so), thus that option is likely to disappear,

  6. #26
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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    Get ready for fuel price rises over the next 10-15 years. The government are pushing for cleaner vehicles and every major city in the UK will have a wide scale clean air zone by 2025. I personally think the net result will be much less fuel being consumed which in turn means less duty for HMRC. As such they will have to massage prices upwards to try and maintain the flow of duty.

    Secondly, given the severity at which the government are going after Euro 5 or lower goods vehicles and taxis and vans I fully expect their next target to be pleasure craft of all types. Especially diesels.

    I would not be shocked to see some kind of air tax come in for commercial and pleasure boats. Also aircraft and things like power tools with internal combustion engines. Lawn mowers etc.

    Maybe not in the next few years, but give them time and they will chase every penny. Think of the children, etc.

    A friend of mine works in London and just had to spend £12,000 on a Euro 6 generator because he cant use a Euro 5 generator now due to the air zone laws. ?!?

  7. #27
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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    Bugger!, but if that's the case I would guess that a lot of visiting leisure boat visits will disappear as well. Even the yachties (inc the French) fill there boots there. (replying to Elecglitch)
    Last edited by andy59; 18-07-19 at 12:53.

  8. #28
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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    Quote Originally Posted by andy59 View Post
    With that question in mind Bruce, does anyone know the position of the EU/UK governments on fuelling up in Guernsey/Jersey at the moment because as far as I'm aware its ok.
    I think that the current position is a bit ill-defined. The UK government does not care too much - they have been selling us marked fuel themselves. It's only really Belgium and, to a lesser extent, Holland and Germany that have been taking much notice of marked fuel in UK boats - and I guess that relatively few of the boats filling up in the Channel Islands end up in that part of the world.

    The theory is that if the fuel was legal where you bought it, then you should not be penalised for having it in your tanks, but that did not stop Germany from fining an American boat that arrived with a lot of legally purchased red in its tanks. I think that fine was quashed on appeal, but I don't think the situation is clear cut under international law - a US citizen arriving at Heathrow with a machine gun in his luggage could expect to be penalised even though it was legally purchased in the USA, so legality at the point of origin is not a defence.

  9. #29
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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    Quote Originally Posted by maby View Post
    I think that the current position is a bit ill-defined. The UK government does not care too much - they have been selling us marked fuel themselves. ............
    I think that's a bit wishful. They have a habit of policing these sorts of changes rather well.

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    Default Re: Goodbye red diesel!

    Quote Originally Posted by BruceK View Post
    I think that's a bit wishful. They have a habit of policing these sorts of changes rather well.
    True, but the question I was responding to was the current position, not what it may become in the future.

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