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    Default Re: What would you have done?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogershaw View Post
    Sailing west towards cape point we came across a "vessels" on AIS whose status was "Underway" when we got close we found it was a fixed gas production platform.
    Son of a beach?

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    Default Re: What would you have done?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyShoe View Post
    They used to tell Solent they were doing training with a life-like dummy. That used to be on 16 for all to hear.
    SCG now move them to Ch67 where the Clipper yachts report the start and end of the MOB exercises.
    Gosport NCI - Call us on Ch 65 for a radio check if passing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giblets View Post
    SCG now move them to Ch67 where the Clipper yachts report the start and end of the MOB exercises.
    Ah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    Those foreign bloody sand banks. Like that South African bank which refused to give way to the Clipper boat. The beach didn't even put up two balls or red over red.
    That's the one. Foreigners, eh?
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: What would you have done?

    Quote Originally Posted by Giblets View Post
    SCG now move them to Ch67 where the Clipper yachts report the start and end of the MOB exercises.
    How do they get temporary exemption for the IRPCS?
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: What would you have done?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    How do they get temporary exemption for the IRPCS?
    The whole area is part of the Dockyard Port.

    If they've been given permission to play sill buggers, that probably over-rides colregs.
    It sounds as if they were going very slowly for a time before it became apparent there was a collision risk?
    Perhaps they actually started their slow course before the OP started on the collision heading?
    The OP came out of Portmouth? from there you will be able to see something the size of a Clipper boat from the moment you put your sails up and make yourself stand on vessel? So when these 3 Clippers first came into sight, is it likely that the OP was not on a collision course and may even have been give way vessel?
    These things are not always black and white.
    What precisely is the up-side of sailing straight towards three large yachts that are moving very slowly in some kind of formation?


    There is a genre of colregs whine which seems to start with 'and then this vessel was give way under Rx.x'.
    Where did it come from? Did it steam over the horizon or did Spock teleport it into your path?
    If you hear the other side of such a story, odds are so-called stand on vessel was being watched by the second vessel, which he didn't notice until he created the incident by altering course to become (in his opinion) stand-on.

    Unless there was some absolute imperative to follow the OP's closehauled line, would you not just either tack before shouting range or crack off a bit, depending on where you wanted to go? If you couldn't squeeze up a bit and go behind them?

    Being the Solent at the weekend, it's also more than likely there were other vessels in the area who the 3 Clippers and the OP needed to keep clear of...

    Also I think in a light breeze, a close-hauled vessel 'standing on' is often on a sticky wicket if they don't head a constant course as the wind shifts.

    It's not always totally clear.

    So an extra reason for not picking unnecessary colregs fights with numpties and muppets IMHO is just in case one is not aware of 100% of the circumstances and might not be 100% in the right.

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    Default Re: What would you have done?

    Quote Originally Posted by lw395 View Post
    It sounds as if they were going very slowly for a time before it became apparent there was a collision risk?
    You make many good points. On that one, though, who is stand-on and who is give-way does not depend on who was first. A sailing craft has every right to create a collision risk with a power vessel by changing course and the power vessel is then obliged to give way as usual. Of course once this collision risk has been created, the sailing craft is stand on, as usual.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    You make many good points. On that one, though, who is stand-on and who is give-way does not depend on who was first. A sailing craft has every right to create a collision risk with a power vessel by changing course and the power vessel is then obliged to give way as usual. Of course once this collision risk has been created, the sailing craft is stand on, as usual.
    The boundaries of how quickly a sailing vessel might reasonably expect a power vessel to alter course etc have been the subject of some late night debate around the bar. I would admit to being much surer of my precise rights under racing rules, which are much clearer about how quickly one must respond.

    In the area in question, there is also the joker that as you sail off the bank outside Portsmouth, you often find about two knots of current changing your VMG as you get to the deep water.
    It's rarely a dull place to sail!

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    Default Re: What would you have done?

    Quote Originally Posted by lw395 View Post
    Also I think in a light breeze, a close-hauled vessel 'standing on' is often on a sticky wicket if they don't head a constant course as the wind shifts.
    This is one that I sometimes worry about (but not often!). Is a "best course to windward" with intrinsic changes of speed and direction consistent with Rule 17 "shall keep her course and speed"?
    I would argue it is but I can understand confusion being created in the mind of non-sailing power boats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lw395 View Post
    The boundaries of how quickly a sailing vessel might reasonably expect a power vessel to alter course etc have been the subject of some late night debate around the bar. I would admit to being much surer of my precise rights under racing rules, which are much clearer about how quickly one must respond.
    Yes, one of horrible holes in IRPCS is the failure to define things like "in good time". Two different vessels might have wildly difefrent, but equally reasonable, notions of when a risk of collision arises.

    In the area in question, there is also the joker that as you sail off the bank outside Portsmouth, you often find about two knots of current changing your VMG as you get to the deep water.
    It's rarely a dull place to sail!
    Yes, I can see that that would liven things up a bit!
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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