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  1. #1
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    Default Engine won't rev

    Finally getting to know the quirks of my BMC 1.5.

    However, maximum speed through the water is a staggering 2.43 knots.

    Engine starts easily and ticks over around 700 rpm. When the gear is engaged, revs drop to 500 and will not increase. Speed through the water is tranquil!

    First theory is weed round the prop. I deployed the underwater camera and SWMBO had a brief glance at the prop before the camera leaked. (Dismantled with great difficulty and dried out the interior and then gave it a dose of contact cleaner. Surprisingly it recovered).

    I am still on the Sharpness Canal and the weed, stink and the presence of the odd floating (animal) corpse are not enticing me in for another dive.

    Lifting the sole, I have access to the prop shaft. With the small leverage available, I cannot turn it.

    The possibilities seem to be that the prop is fouled, the cutlass bearing has swollen or the hull shape has changed after first launch.

    The shaft is connected to the gearbox via an Aquadrive so any hull movement should be taken care of.

    The prop was very free when on the hard so I can't imagine it has changed too much.

    The remaining (and hopefully easily fixed) possibility is a fouled prop.

    But why 500 rpm and no more? Could it be to do with the power/revs relationship in the engine? I.e. at 500 rpm there is insufficient power to speed up to a greater torque figure.

    I will move (tranquilly!) to a clearer part of the canal at the weekend and don the dive kit.

    P.s. The engine normally starts pretty easily and I think my previous problems were down to insufficient battery ump. But the other day, it would not start. The reason was that the stop valve had not closed completely. A useful tip for others perhaps.
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    Default Re: Engine won't rev

    Does it rev in neutral? If not, then nothing to do with the prop.

    Have you checked things like the air filter and fuel filter. Usually all a diesel needs to run is fuel and air, and denying the engine of either one will kill it.

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    Default Re: Engine won't rev

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobc View Post
    Does it rev in neutral? If not, then nothing to do with the prop.

    Have you checked things like the air filter and fuel filter. Usually all a diesel needs to run is fuel and air, and denying the engine of either one will kill it.
    Yes - freely up to 2000 +.
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    Default Re: Engine won't rev

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham_Wright View Post
    Yes - freely up to 2000 +.
    Low revs under load happened to me. It took the engineers the best part of a full season to diagnose and split in the fuel return line inside the engine.
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    Default Re: Engine won't rev

    With light winds yesterday p.m., we drove up and down our stretch of the canal. Maximum speed by log was 4.5 knots. That's twice the previous "record" but still pretty disappointing.

    The engine revs were still below 1000. I believe maximum diesel torque starts around 1500. Perhaps we need to get above that "hump" to use the proper output of the engine. The stiffness in the prop shaft I believe is from the cutlass bering. That should ease once we enter the very fine grinding paste otherwise know as the Bristol Channel.

    I examined the end of the blind bolt in the filter housing. It had a film of rust pitting. Bang in the centre was the suggestion of a hole. Inside, there was a 3-4 mm diameter drilling. The smallest drill I have is 0.6mm. It will not enter.

    The hull speed should be between 5 and 6 so not far off.
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    Default Re: Engine won't rev

    Reading this with interest..
    Despite the assorted red herrings. It shouted loudly 'lack of fuel' since there was no black smoke from overfueling, along with the low revs in neutral. I was surprised that the diesel service guys did not point this out.
    Try using a needle to clear the bleed hole, as they can be quite small. But I am still a bit puzzled how that can have such an effect.

    Two days ago we went out to try a couple of systems on a boat with a 1GM10, found it very sluggish and was concerned, as the short steep chop and fresh wind were effectively stopping the boat. Went back and had a look. Changed the fuel filter and it completely envigorated the donk.

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    Default Re: Engine won't rev

    Quote Originally Posted by lw395 View Post
    Does it not increase in speed at all as the boat gathers pace from 0 to 2 knots?
    No black smoke or signs of unburned fuel in the exhuast?
    I suspect the governor/pump control is stuck or broken.
    "Quote;- Lifting the sole, I have access to the prop shaft. With the small leverage available, I cannot turn it.

    Please explain the function of the governor. Governors on other engines, seem to govern the rotation speed according to some mechanical feedback
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    Default Re: Engine won't rev

    The governor adjusts the fuelling to obtain the rpm set by the 'throttle' lever.
    If it is not capable of setting the fuel above a low level, it will only allow the engine to rev at zero load.

    I'm not familiar with the BMC motor.
    If it was a Yanmar, with the engine stopped, setting full throttle would move the fuel rack to max fuelling. When the engine reaches the desired RPM, the centrifugal bit of the governor backs off the rack so fuelling is reduced to the minimum needed for the set RPM at whatever the load is.
    As you said, feedback.
    But, it's a complex system of weights, springs, damping, pivots and levers.
    Easily made worse by amateurs!
    RTFM. And then read it again before touching anything!

    Your inability to turn the prop shaft could be the gearbox rather than the prop?
    If the prop were stiff, I'd expect the engine to be using lots of fuel fighting it, balck smoke and (diesel) oil in the exhaust.

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    Default Re: Engine won't rev

    Quote Originally Posted by lw395 View Post

    Your inability to turn the prop shaft could be the gearbox rather than the prop?
    If the prop were stiff, I'd expect the engine to be using lots of fuel fighting it, balck smoke and (diesel) oil in the exhaust.
    Thanks for the explanation. For reasons I can't justify, (something I read somewhere) this governor "doesn't do much". I had the injector pump serviced professionally so and haven't fiddled since.

    I hadn't considered the gearbox. Oh er!

    From the manual;-








    I can't see anything that looks like a conventional governor.

    Ah the links didn't work. ASAP used to have an on line version which I have a copy of but which will not allow reproduction.

    https://www.asap-supplies.com/media/...1.5-manual.pdf.
    section 51D
    Last edited by Graham_Wright; 06-08-19 at 15:24.
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    Default Re: Engine won't rev

    The standard DPA pump on a BMC 1.5 has a hydraulic governor.I believe the lift pump fuel pressure is used in some way.
    Jim

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