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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    Vat is in some ways a funny tax because it apparently is illegal for any nation to charge it twice. I was also told that the current bill of sale is proof that VAT is a UK responsibility. How things will fare in years to come, though as things are going at present badly is my guess
    Peter

  2. #12
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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    There is an old thread on this topic stating that EU VAT for pre 1985 boats only applies to boats in the EU by 1993 which has to be proven.

    http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread...ld-before-1985

    Other than that we all know that the reality of life is that sometimes officials have their own rules.

  3. #13
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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    Quote Originally Posted by greeny View Post
    When the Vat documentation was being requested by Portuguese Policia a couple of years ago, they asked for a T2L form from uk. This document is freely available from Salford HMRC and they require no documentary proof before issuing it to you, (usually within a week of application). There is a thread on the forum about this (read it) and the T2L was accepted by the Portuguese of vat payment. The T2L actually has no validity as a proof of vat paid status but it seems to do the trick here in PT. Costs nothing so well worth getting.
    Thanks for that. I will contact my HMRC.

  4. #14
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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Poignard View Post
    My yacht was built in 1967 and I carry the Certificate of Registration and a copy of the bill-of-sale. What was the outcome for your friend? Did he have to pay VAT or was he given time to produce the documents proving his boat's age?
    Boarded last week and produce by September 16th 2019.
    The other chap didnít say what time frame to produce.

  5. #15
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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    Quote Originally Posted by vyv_cox View Post
    The RYA ran a survey on this topic a few years ago and found nearly no examples.
    Quote Originally Posted by robertj View Post
    The reason I ask is a friend was boarded and asked to prove his vat status. ... Two other English boats since Iíve been here have been boarded and asked to prove vat status.
    Sounds like robertj needs to contact the RYA ASAP with some detail about these three cases.

    Everything I've read on this topic is that it's a non-issue. If that's wrong/changed then it needs to be communicated clearly. Preferably by the French Government and failing that by the RYA.

  6. #16
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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    Difficult to understand why the French are taking this interest. After Brexit it might be understandable with obviously new vessels but not with older ones at present.
    Answers to some technical queries at new website http://coxeng.co.uk

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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    Quote Originally Posted by vyv_cox View Post
    Difficult to understand why the French are taking this interest. After Brexit it might be understandable with obviously new vessels but not with older ones at present.
    It is probably a similar story to red diesel in Belgium. It is the law and up until now no one has vigorously enforced it however it is quite within the rights of countries to check the VAT status of a vessel along with its other papers. With the possibility of the UK leaving the EU without a deal and without such mundane matters cleared up I would expect customs officers in all EU countries to take a look at all ships papers particularly those British flagged vessels permanently moored in their country.

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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    Quote Originally Posted by robertj View Post
    Thanks for that. I will contact my HMRC.
    Don't just contact any HMRC. It needs to be Salford office who deal with the T2L's.
    Find the thread and read it. Its very simple and the blank form is attached to one of the posts there. Very easy but remember to put a stamped addressed envelope in the application.

  9. #19
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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    Quote Originally Posted by vyv_cox View Post
    Difficult to understand why the French are taking this interest. After Brexit it might be understandable with obviously new vessels but not with older ones at present.
    Its happened before and will happen again. Previously the reason has been the French government attempting to reduce manning and their staff attempting to prove they are doing a worthwhile job. But we have also had cases where the issue was political against les robifs.

    When fench air traffic controllers strike they target us. When the french fishing fleet has issues they target british boats. We've had wagons of lamb burned out. .
    this post is a personal opinion, and you should not base your actions on it.

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    Default Re: Pre 1985 VAT status in France

    The RYA put out a document in Jan 2008 titled " Value Added Tax - your frequently asked questions answered. I quote "Vessels that were in use as private pleasure craft prior to 1st Jan 1985 and that were in the EU on Dec 31st 1992, have deemed VAT paid status under EU Single Market transitional arrangements." This effectively means that if the normal VAT documents are not able to be supplied or shown, provided that there is evidence that the vessel was in the EU on Dec 31st 1992 when the EU single market was created and can prove the vessels age prior to 1st Jan 1985 all is well. HOWEVER be aware that French officials are often woefully ignorant of the rules but I have found that insisting you are right and sticking to your guns with confidence (as you can) usually gets them to give in with a gallic shrug. I only once had a problem with this when boarded by a hoard of border control idiots outside Ouistreham. In the end I mentioned the word "harrassment" and they buggered off. Frankly they can often be officious but back down when faced with facts they don't understand.

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