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  1. #1
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    Default Navigating without a log

    Son took a tug across from the Clyde to Northern Ireland. His nav was completely dependent on GPS.

    When chastised, he told me no tugboats have logs. He had a compass but couldn't read it as the dome was obscured.

    He became stroppy when asked what would happen with a GPS outage.
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  2. #2
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    Default Re: Navigating without a log

    Not having a log was nothing unusual years ago but no useful compass is daft imho

  3. #3
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    Default Re: Navigating without a log

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham_Wright View Post
    .......from the Clyde to Northern Ireland......
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    Line of sight navigation in this area?

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    Default Re: Navigating without a log

    Doesn't surprise me that they don't have a log. The MCA would probably take a dim view of the unusable compass even though I'm sure tug skippers practically never use them.

    Pete

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    Default Re: Navigating without a log

    It's a matter of risk and mitigation. The more your son does not know, the more he has to be careful. This could mean only navigating in perfect visibility with a reliable weather forecast. Nothing is absolute: log, compass, paper or even approved navigation systems.

    I would have thought that the compass was necessary as it does actually rain a lot on that passage and steering a straight line over a few miles without visual references is difficult.
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    Default Re: Navigating without a log

    Quote Originally Posted by davidjackson View Post
    Line of sight navigation in this area?
    That could be. I learned to sail on my father's boat in and around Vancouver, BC. We cruised for weeks at a time and the only log was a bit of wood on a string that got pulled out once every couple of years to see how it worked with a stopwatch. We used a compass a lot, but when you can navigate by sight, you can easily get by without a log. Particularly if you have a pretty good sense of approximate boat speed.

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    Default Re: Navigating without a log

    Quote Originally Posted by davidjackson View Post
    Line of sight navigation in this area?
    Clear yes, in fog?
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  8. #8
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    Default Re: Navigating without a log

    Someone will be along to say that he will have had a compass and a GPS on his phone, and maybe charts too.

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    Default Re: Navigating without a log

    We haven’t had a reliable log in 9 years of sailing or current boat and haven’t really missed it.

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    Default Re: Navigating without a log

    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    Someone will be along to say that he will have had a compass and a GPS on his phone, and maybe charts too.
    Are you inferring that you don't?
    My log often gets clogged up with critters, on coastal trips I know where I am by recognition of features. Cross Channel, when I see land ahead I know I'm more than half way and on long passages I tend to average about 100 miles a day, so I know when to start looking for land.
    Having said that, yes, I have Nav and charts on my phone, tablet, notepad pc and a recent addition, a 'smart' TV! Plus two Chart Plotters.
    I think I now have as many nav devices as anchors!
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