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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Quote Originally Posted by Achosenman View Post
    I come from civil aviation, they manage far better in this regard.
    At a price

    Pete

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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Quote Originally Posted by prv View Post
    At a price

    Pete
    In the light aircraft world the price is surprisingly similar to boat electronics. Although with a much tougher approval regime and far more complex interfaces for auto pilots etc.

    I'll pretend the eye wateringly high price tag of kit used in the heavy jet world doesn't exist though

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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Just in case it is of interest I have an S3G course computer for sale. Perfect condition and it will work with all of you ST60 kit

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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Quote Originally Posted by Achosenman View Post
    I come from civil aviation, they manage far better in this regard.
    I do still have ST60+ instruments working, but nothing else would. (Or with a much degraded functionality)
    I am however a Raymarine fan. IMO the STNG network connections are far better than NMEA 2000. I ripped out that part of the system due to continuous intermittent connection issues when I upgraded. Raymarine seems to simply work, all day, every day.

    It seems to me that boat owners are seen as wealthy clients and are treated as such by those servicing the industry.
    Probably worth pointing out here that STng is NMEA-2000, itís just the cables that are different.

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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Quote Originally Posted by dk View Post
    Probably worth pointing out here that STng is NMEA-2000, it’s just the cables that are different.
    I do understand that. IMO the Raymarine plugs are far better designed. They include a rubber o ring that helps keep the damp out and they fit and lock into place very snuggly. NMEA 2000 plugs seem to be just a direct lift from the automotive industry. They work of course, but the only connectivity issues I've ever had, were with those type after a few seasons. RM has never given me a problem apart from the issues being discussed.

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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitelighter View Post
    Just in case it is of interest I have an S3G course computer for sale. Perfect condition and it will work with all of you ST60 kit
    Bit late now , a week ago I would had brought it off you .
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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Quote Originally Posted by sailaboutvic View Post
    After the saga of our course computer packing up ,
    We looked at way of reducing the cost of buying a new complete system costing 2.7k when you add on extra bits .

    After Many calls and emails to dealers we found a refurbished ACU 400 from Raymarine priced at £650 , great buy, add to that a sensor core and sea talk to sea talkNG , cutting our cost to around £1200k or so we thought .
    Reading Raymarine Manuel it say our ST 6000 control can be used with the ACU 400 but there some option we couldn't use ,
    This turn out to be the setting options so in reality you can't use the ST6000 unless you had the new P70s control to set up the computer first , now we have to add on another £520 . The cost now gone up to over £1700 .
    As we was about to order the new unit on line we found the ACU didn't include VAT , bit naughty of Raymarine not to say if there price was ex Vat of not .
    The cost goes up again touching £1850 .
    Our next surprise was that both the refurbished ACU and the new P70s only come with very short cables a few CM long , which mean buying new back bone cables and connections add another £150
    Up goes the cost to well over 2k
    Then there carriage involve from two company's has Raymarine would only sell us the the ACU . And up goes the cost again .

    Here where a stoke of luck comes into play , some times you have to stand back and not be too hasty in parting with your money .
    in the mean time we put out feelers with other cruiser for a second hand unit at the same time a RM engineer I know very well in Malta said he has one .
    But he won't send it we need to pick it up as he want to fit it for us so there no problems .

    So we had a decision to make last night . Pay well over £2100 to get our old pilot working or hand steer 500 NM to Malta and get a second hand good working unit for £300 a saving of £1800
    I leave it to you guys to guess what route we taking .

    people who thinking of buying a project boat think very carefully ,
    Nothing come cheap when it comes to boats .

    Just one last thing , it's a bit tight of any company when sell unit s cost hundreds of pound to only add a few CM of cable , or am I expecting too much ?
    It's a lot of money when what most people actually want from their autopilot should not be terribly demanding.
    Mostly I just want to push a button and have the boat carry on, on the same heading.
    How many of us get real value out of the complication?

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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Quote Originally Posted by lw395 View Post
    It's a lot of money when what most people actually want from their autopilot should not be terribly demanding.
    Mostly I just want to push a button and have the boat carry on, on the same heading.
    How many of us get real value out of the complication?
    +1 we very rearly use the wind steer , and I can't think of a time when I used track .
    but I have to say , it's great having it working again , when you doing 30/40 hours trip .
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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Quote Originally Posted by lw395 View Post
    It's a lot of money when what most people actually want from their autopilot should not be terribly demanding.
    Mostly I just want to push a button and have the boat carry on, on the same heading.
    How many of us get real value out of the complication?
    Indeed. I went through one season where I used to set up a waypoint 30 or 40 miles away and have it steer to the waypoint but then the novelty wore off and I went back to just pressing the button once I was on course. It's not as if you can set it and go off for a snooze or something.

    Richard

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    Default Re: Course computer saga goes on .

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Indeed. I went through one season where I used to set up a waypoint 30 or 40 miles away and have it steer to the waypoint but then the novelty wore off and I went back to just pressing the button once I was on course. It's not as if you can set it and go off for a snooze or something.

    Richard
    Same here - but Auto when on course then plus or minus

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