View Poll Results: As a boater, are you satisfied with management of non tidal Thames

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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thanes?

    Lock keepers friendly and helpful in the main. Locks being on self serve during busy periods is ridiculous. Some lock keepers work really hard to squeeze the last boat in and some don't seem to bother. Without wishing to cause offence I find the number of questionable live aboard type boats taking good mooring spots annoying and there doesn't seem to be any obvious regulation of this.

    Also I hardly ever see any officials on patrol (actually once in two years) which seems a shame.

    We see too many instances of speeding and excess wash. This has ranged between being extremely selfish to dangerous. It feels like a free for all at times.

    We are enjoying the river again but would very much like to see more staff out and about.

    Just my thoughts...
    Last edited by Nick(2); 20-09-19 at 15:29.

  2. #42
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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thanes?

    Presume that the amount of taxpayers cash being spent on the Thames/Medway has already been decided for the next few years and not likely to change in the near future.
    Assuming that DEFRA holds the purse strings and doles out the funds to EA, what practical suggestions does the forum have for persuading DEFRA to simply provide more money to EA for waterways.

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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thanes?

    Quote Originally Posted by oldgit View Post
    Presume that the amount of taxpayers cash being spent on the Thames/Medway has already been decided for the next few years and not likely to change in the near future.
    Assuming that DEFRA holds the purse strings and doles out the funds to EA, what practical suggestions does the forum have for persuading DEFRA to simply provide more money to EA for waterways.
    As it is clear that significant public purse funding will NOT be the the way forward you are asking the wrong question.

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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thanes?

    Quote Originally Posted by boatone View Post
    As it is clear that significant public purse funding will NOT be the the way forward you are asking the wrong question.
    Without going over old ground, how exactly can you enable more money to be gathered from any source not required to contribute at the present time , given that the EA is not allowed by the current rules ? to raise funds by anything other than registration fees.
    It must surely involve changing the rules, presume only DEFRA can do this arbitarily or must even they get legislation through the house to do so.
    Is arguing about just how well/badly the Thames is run, really akin to rearranging the deck chairs and lobbying really needs to be directed by all Thames boaters at DEFRA and HMG for fundamental change. ?
    The first glimpse of hope might be the appearance of money for managing the countryside for public good.
    Last edited by oldgit; 21-09-19 at 10:59.

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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thanes?

    [QUOTE=oldgit;6916307]Without going over old ground, how exactly can you enable more money to be gathered from any source not required to contribute at the present time , given that the EA is not allowed by the current rules ? to raise funds by anything other than registration fees.
    They also raise some monies from water extraction and miscellaneous charges such as moorings (bas and transit), camp sites, accommodations etc. but its fairly small beer compared to registration income.

    It must surely involve changing the rules, presume only DEFRA can do this arbitarily or must even they get legislation through the house to do so.
    Any substantial changes would need either primary or secondary legislation. The last major change was the Inland Waterways Order 2010 which took many years to grind its way through the system.
    The amount of money allocated to the waterways by DEFRA id decided by the spending reviews which ultimately rests with the Treasury.

    Is arguing about just how well/badly the Thames is run, really akin to rearranging the deck chairs and lobbying really needs to be directed by all Thames boaters at DEFRA and HMG for fundamental change. ?
    In part but with £8 million or so in the current budget theres also the question of how effectively it is spent. A lot off money from the navigation budget is currently being consumed by action to try and control the slum boats and illegal mooring issues which are not, strictly speaking, navigation issues.

    The first glimpse of hope might be the appearance of money for managing the countryside for public good.
    It would be nice to think there would be a change of heart but even a change of heart is likely to take a long time to filter through to the coal face.

    Bottom line seems to be that we have to recognise changing circumstances and boaters need to come to terms with the real cost of services. Watch this space re possible imposition of accommodation charges in offline marinas although signs are that will be vigorously resisted by the commercial operators.
    Wearing my TMBA hat I am taking the simple approach of not supporting any changes that would increase the burden on boaters unless, and until, the EA present clear and practical proposals for future funding.

    Been said before but worth repeating ...... do you honestly think joe public cares a jot about subsidising apparently well heeled boaters with posh boats ?
    Last edited by boatone; 23-09-19 at 09:41.

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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thanes?

    Please can you explain "Watch this space re possible imposition of accommodation charges in offline marinas"
    With thanks

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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thanes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquafan View Post
    Please can you explain "Watch this space re possible imposition of accommodation charges in offline marinas"
    With thanks
    On the tidal Medway any fixed pile or anchor placed in/on the bottom must have permission (and a fee is levied) from the organisations who regulate that particular bit of river.
    Not sure if the EA down here also have the power to raise revenue on accomodations in non tidal section.Many of the houses on the river bank have small jetties and pontoons with moored boats.
    Do know that they were entering marinas to check boats had valid registration documents.
    A boat is moored just above weir at Allington with a large EA "For Sale" notice ,the attached outboard does not look very old at all.
    Last edited by oldgit; 23-09-19 at 20:27.

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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thanes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquafan View Post
    Please can you explain "Watch this space re possible imposition of accommodation charges in offline marinas"
    With thanks
    On the non tidal Thames an “accommodation” is any structure in the river - piles, jetty, pontoon- to which a boat can be moored.
    All accommodations are subject to an annual registration charge just like boats. Online marinas I.e those on the main river pay these charges for their piles and pontoons. Now that the EA have established their right to charge registration charges for craft in all marinas there is an expectation that they will move to charge for pontoons in the marinas as well. Should this materialise, any such charges will inevitably be passed on to the boat owners. We understand that the EA are already in discussion with marina operators - watch this space !

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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thames?

    Peel Ports will rent you a small portion of the river bed to lay a mooring for around £120.PA.
    Imagine that any non tidal "accomodation" charges would amount to less than a few pounds a month per boat. ?

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    Default Re: Are you satisfied with the management of non tidal Thames?

    Quote Originally Posted by oldgit View Post
    Peel Ports will rent you a small portion of the river bed to lay a mooring for around £120.PA.
    Imagine that any non tidal "accomodation" charges would amount to less than a few pounds a month per boat. ?
    From EA Website:
    Charges increased by 5.7% for the year ending 28 September 2019.


    This tariff applies to all licences granted to corporate bodies of any kind (commercial companies, hotels, schools, yacht clubs, youth groups, residents associations etc).
    Accommodation type Standard annual charge (£) Minimum charge per item (£)
    Staging, steps, gangway, ladder, catwalk, framework, pontoon, slipway, boathouse, or other enclosure of river space per square metre 9.00 per square metre 95.90
    plus linear metre of mooring edge thereto 8.04 per metre
    Off shore mooring piles or buoys (charged according to linear metres of moorings run accommodated) 8.04 per metre 95.90
    Rubbing posts or miscellaneous piles 31.16 n/a
    Slipways and footbridges 71.92 n/a
    Minimum Total Charge
    As well as a flat-rate minimum charge per item as shown above there is also a minimum total charge applicable to each licence after taking into account any adjustment above. The minimum total charge is currently £95.90 for those accommodations of an educational or sporting nature and £153.43 in all other cases.

    I'll leave someone else to do the maths !
    Last edited by boatone; 24-09-19 at 08:22.

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